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  • #16
    Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    That simply is not true by any measure. (First I guess I would need to know what your definition of Big Markets is. But just since just since 1990. Granted Bulls (6) and lakers (6)have been there a ton, but Jordan, Kobe and Shaq had a lot more do to with that than the refs.

    San Antonio - 4 times
    Portland - 2 times
    Utah - 2 times
    Indiana - 1 time
    Pheinix - 1 time - was a pretty small market back in 1993
    Orlando - 1 time
    Seattle - 1 time
    Cleveland - 1 time
    Wow so 13 times in 60+ years of NBA History a small market team has been in the finals.


    Since 1984 (Sterns first season as comissioner). There is almost always either a big marketable player or a big market team in the finals.

    Winner
    2007-08 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers (Big Market teams)
    2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Cleveland Cavaliers (Lebron James, Marketbale player)
    2005-06 Miami Heat Dallas Mavericks (Shaq and Wade:marketable players)
    2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Detroit Pistons (exception)
    2003-04 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers (Big market team)
    2002-03 San Antonio Spurs New Jersey Nets (Big Market team)
    2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers New Jersey Nets (Big Market teams)
    2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers (Big market teams)
    1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Indiana Pacers (Big Market team)
    1998-99 San Antonio Spurs New York Knicks (Big Market team)
    1997-98 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz (Big time players and team)
    1996-97 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz (Big time players and team)
    1995-96 Chicago Bulls Seattle SuperSonics (BIg market team)
    1994-95 Houston Rockets Orlando Magic (marketable players)
    1993-94 Houston Rockets New York Knicks (Big market team)
    1992-93 Chicago Bulls Phoenix Suns (Big market team)
    1991-92 Chicago Bulls Portland Trail Blazers (Big market team)
    1990-91 Chicago Bulls Los Angeles Lakers (Big market teams)
    1989-90 Detroit Pistons Portland Trail Blazers (Big name players)
    1988-89 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers (Market team)
    1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers Detroit Pistons (Big market team)
    1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics (Big market teams)
    1985-86 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets (Big market team)
    1984-85 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics (Big market teams)


    Interesting that in the last 24 years there has never by chance been a Utah-Indiana finals or Milwaukee-Portland finals. There is almost always one big market team in the finals.
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    • #17
      Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

      Yeah...It's real weird that the teams with Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq and Tim Duncan make the Finals time after time after time. It's really shocking.

      I'm perplexed as to why Milwaukee, Charlotte, Minnesota and Atlanta just can't catch a break.
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      • #18
        Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

        By being in a large market an above average player or "normal" star can be a superstar. Players also usually flock to the larger markets either for night life or the endorsements or both.
        Also I figure if a team is good enough to make it to the finals chances are they do have at least one if not more "big-marketable-star".




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        • #19
          Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

          Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
          Well, if this is so true... I'm sure the FBI is investigating it as we speak.
          Why? Keep in mind it has to be relevant to a criminal case. Fixing games for entertainment purposes isn't illegal. They'd have to tie it to gambling or fraud.

          If it's just "call this game in their favor" stuff then I'm not sure how far the FBI could go with it.

          Of course it does say that this guy has started his own private firm to investigate sports cheating, but I assume the application starts as a way to make money as a private institution rather than getting criminal charges filed. More like finding cheating spouses.

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          • #20
            Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

            Originally posted by MrSparko View Post
            By being in a large market an above average player or "normal" star can be a superstar.
            Huh?

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            • #21
              Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

              Little hyperbole there, but I meant like....Pau Gasol would be a good example.

              He made at least one all star game (probably more?) part of a great international team, but since joining L.A. he's much closer to a household name in the US. I don't think anyone would argue that since he was sent to L.A. there's been alot more coverage of Gasol. Making it to the finals helps of course.
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              • #22
                Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

                Originally posted by MrSparko View Post
                Little hyperbole there, but I meant like....Pau Gasol would be a good example.

                He made at least one all star game (probably more?) part of a great international team, but since joining L.A. he's much closer to a household name in the US. I don't think anyone would argue that since he was sent to L.A. there's been alot more coverage of Gasol. Making it to the finals helps of course.
                Yes where he got to be yelled at by Kobe on national tv and roundly criticized for being soft. He was exposed.

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                • #23
                  Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

                  Originally posted by rock747 View Post
                  Wow so 13 times in 60+ years of NBA History a small market team has been in the finals.

                  No it was 13 times in 18 years

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                  • #24
                    Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

                    Originally posted by Peck View Post
                    I understand your thoughts on this, however this is the type of person who is called into court as an expert witness and his opinions are treated as facts.

                    I do want to point out to everyone one thing though.

                    Even if another Ref. or even a couple of other refs. are in on this, by no means does that indicate that the NBA sponsored or even knew of this.

                    However this is really starting to look bad overall as a few refs. may start going down with Tim on this.

                    Even if there is never proven anything about the NBA being involved, if even one more ref. is outed I would suspect that Mr. Sterns days as commisioner might be drawing to an end. I doubt the owners would fire him, however allowing him to retire might be suggested.

                    I know there are two sides to this arguement about whether or not the refs. are crooked or the games are fixed and I am still of the belief that the NBA had no knowledge of this.

                    But there is sure starting to be a lot of smoke coming up from the "more than one" camp and sadly a lot of times where there is smoke there is... well you know.
                    What is hardly credible is that if not for the FBI this ref could still be crooked and it would still not be on Stern's radar. Clearly, the NBA allows refs to be crooks and/or incompetent without much scrutiny. Stern has to answer for why no one picked up on Donaghy and why no other refs were suspect.

                    This is Stern's undoing and he has to go. Bad calls , home team and superstar advantage, refs cozying up to players calls into question why the NBA has less integrity when it comes to officiating than other main line sports.

                    I remember a quote from an assistant coach who claimed that nba refereeing was like the wwf.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

                      I thought Gasol was always considered soft?
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                      • #26
                        Re: Ex-FBI big believes Donaghy about others

                        Originally posted by MrSparko View Post
                        I thought Gasol was always considered soft?


                        He was I mean before joining forces with Kobe he never won a playoff game let alone a playoff series. Kobe took some heat off of him.

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