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  • #31
    Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

    I have a feeling vs the Twolves they will play like they have something to prove.

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    • #32
      Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

      Nothing is wrong with this team that experience won't help.

      They were hitting each other in the back with passes and throwing passes expecting a cutter. They need experience playing with each other. We as fans need to pull back on our expectations and just enjoy this group.

      Collison and Hans were rookie's last year. You might as well say Hans is still a rookie. Rush and Hibbert have two years experience, and Danny has five.

      Let's see, what other players are we high on? Paul, Lance and Rolle are all rookies and McRoberts is just now getting good playing time. Don't expect too much.

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      • #33
        Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

        Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
        Collison still didn't find others much and looks to shoot first and ask questions later due to that being how he is asked to play.
        Hmmm...this sounds familiar....where have I heard this before?

        I'll ask the question that has been in the back of my mind since we traded for DC....is he a better version of TJ that is better at defense, can hit the 3pt shot and isn't as prone to "dribbling into a forest of Big Men at full speed then have that deer in the headlights look to him that eventually turns it over"?
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • #34
          Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          Hmmm...this sounds familiar....where have I heard this before?

          I'll ask the question that has been in the back of my mind since we traded for DC....is he a better version of TJ that is better at defense, can hit the 3pt shot and isn't as prone to "dribbling into a forest of Big Men at full speed then have that deer in the headlights look to him that eventually turns it over"?
          So he's TJ Ford without the bad habits? I'll take that.

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          • #35
            Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            Granger is a bit deceptive. He's an academic type, religious, good solid citizen.

            But he does not play fundamental basketball.
            I think it's your fault for ever assuming 3 things that have nothing to do with basketball would have an impact on the way he plays. He's not being deceptive, just because you're a good guy off the court doesn't mean you're going to play a certain way on the court. I don't see how that adds up at all.


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            • #36
              Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              http://www.nba.com/games/20101006/INDMEM/gameinfo.html 1:39


              He was trying to shoot but had two guys all of him and decided to pass when it was to late. But it is a moot point
              I gotta agree with P4E on this point Sookie, AJ was looking for his shot the whole way and put him in a "TJ" type of position which sort of caused the turnover of course Roy did a horrible job making himself available as well.


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              • #37
                Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                Really, both guys are, as you say, playing the same system pretty much the same way, and just as they are being told to play it. For me, Price just is less frustrating to watch, kind of like a less outgoing Jarrett Jack with more quickness on defense and a better shot, at least so far.

                I guess I just need to get over the fact that the Pacers under the O'Brien system play a preferred lineup of 2, 2, 3, 3, 4/5, and ultimately would play the "quick" of Isiah Thomas that would have 4 guys capable of playing either the 2 or 3 with one big to clean up the messes. I will try to not look at Collison, Price, or Ford as point guards, and focus on the reality that TJ was probably plenty effective except for not hitting 3's and getting hung up in traffic when he made his decision to keep the ball and drive into traffic about a second or two sooner than Price, which was a prevalent theory for why O'B banished him. I will be surprised if Collison doesn't look strikingly similar to TJ (except for the PnR) unless other passers such as Dunleavy and McRoberts are able to stay on the floor to initiate the scoring portion of the offense, unless of course Collison hits shots better than TJ.

                The starters job is Collison's to lose, unquestionably. When, and I say when, the offense stagnates and turnovers rise during the regular season, Price will hopefully be ready to step in as the starter.

                However, my guess is that we will see the dreaded small ball with Ford and Collison at the 2's frequently, with Rush and Granger at the 3's, and Hibbert as the lone big. Roy's function in that lineup is to just move to the side and up top to clear the lane and stay out of the way of the dribble penetrations and hopefully act as the relief valve by being available to take, and hopefully hit, his 18 footers. I realize that there would be no hope of rebounds, but the Pacers have become accustomed to that over the last several seasons.

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                • #38
                  Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                  I like AJ, but I haven't seen him do a single thing that warrants beating out DC for the starting PG spot. They both look good, but DC has things that AJ just does not have.

                  As far as AJ getting people involved more, I don't see it. DC was looking for people much more than AJ last night and the assists and scoring reflect that.

                  Sometime I think some of you just want to make a change to make a change, it's like when you get tired of a lineup you've played with for a while in video games and just change something for the heck of it.


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                  • #39
                    Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                    Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                    Just like when we went 5-0 at SL you guys said that it didn't mean anything.
                    While I understand your point, the Summer League roster included Richard Hendrix, Thomas Heurtel, Adam Koch, Chris Kramer, Marcus Landry, James Mays, Russell Robinson, Bryce Taylor, Darryl Watkins, and Marcus Williams, to go with the rookies and Josh McRoberts.

                    The preseason roster has just 2 guys that will not be a part of the regular season team.

                    Huge difference in my opinion.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                      Until the Pacers run more PnR, we will never, never see the PG in Collison that we all thought we were acquiring. Without providing in our offense what Collison is best at, we simply will end up seeing a player that is never allowed to exhibit his full potential.

                      To me that's like entering your thorougbread in the derby and saddling him with a 200 pound jockey.

                      And after 20 games if that appears to still be the case, then I say shame on Bird.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                        Solo's defense was horrible.

                        We couldn't feed Hibbert in the low post when Yao was out. Scola is crafty, but there's no excuse. I did like what I saw from Roy... he didn't give up and had some good dunks and low post moves... Just not enough of the.

                        Danny had 0 FT attempts. Nuff said.

                        AB was making DC look slow.

                        Nasty dunk by Budinger.

                        Hans looked decent and we missed Mac.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                          Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                          Until the Pacers run more PnR, we will never, never see the PG in Collison that we all thought we were acquiring. Without providing in our offense what Collison is best at, we simply will end up seeing a player that is never allowed to exhibit his full potential.

                          To me that's like entering your thorougbread in the derby and saddling him with a 200 pound jockey.

                          And after 20 games if that appears to still be the case, then I say shame on Bird.
                          It seemed to me they ran a number of pick and when Collision was in the game Friday and Saturday night. But the magic trapped the pick and roll and the rockets sort of did. Also it didn't look like the pacers ran the pick and roll with much conviction, lazy pick set made it easy defend.

                          My pure guess is maybe they haven't worked on it that much yet. As I mentioned in the game thread - training camp/preseason is a 4 week process, the goal is not to be ready for the preseason games but rather the regular season games
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-10-2010, 11:53 AM.

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            It seemed to me they ran a number of pick and when Collision was in the game Friday and Saturday night. But the magic trapped the pick and roll and the rockets sort of did. Also it didn't look like the pacers ran the pick and roll with much conviction, lazy pick set made it easy defend.

                            My pure guess is maybe they haven't worked on it that much yet. As I mentioned in the game thread - training camp/preseason is a 4 week process, the goal is not to be ready for the preseason games but rather the regular season games
                            Without beef, Roy just isn't very good at setting hard picks. McRoberts might end up OK at it but it would take time in my opinion because he is more of a finesse and jumping player, and I am a huge McRoberts fan. Foster is not the old Jeff and might not be able to get out there to do it like he used to, and might not be able to withstand the pounding for long if he did. That leaves the primary player best able to set physical, hard picks being Hansbrough, but that would require him spending more time up top than I think O'Brien would want him to with his primary offensive contributions being rebounds, putbacks, and free throws.

                            Who else should be used? Granger? I hope not. Surely not Posey...

                            Unfortunately, Dale Davis is not available...unless we figure out how to have him come in as a second big man coach that specializes in teaching toughness and physicality as opposed to finesse.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                              Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
                              Without beef, Roy just isn't very good at setting hard picks. McRoberts might end up OK at it but it would take time in my opinion because he is more of a finesse and jumping player, and I am a huge McRoberts fan. Foster is not the old Jeff and might not be able to get out there to do it like he used to, and might not be able to withstand the pounding for long if he did. That leaves the primary player best able to set physical, hard picks being Hansbrough, but that would require him spending more time up top than I think O'Brien would want him to with his primary offensive contributions being rebounds, putbacks, and free throws.

                              Who else should be used? Granger? I hope not. Surely not Posey...

                              Unfortunately, Dale Davis is not available...unless we figure out how to have him come in as a second big man coach that specializes in teaching toughness and physicality as opposed to finesse.
                              dont know if that can by learned I think your born with it.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Generals at Globetrotters Post Game

                                Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                                Preseason...
                                It was also pre-season for the Rockets, and the other teams the Pacers have played. Regardless, this team needs to improve and have the pieces gel One talented piece has been added in Collison, but because of the position he plays it WILL take time for acclimation between him and his 'mates. More than if he played any other position.

                                The rookies? Let's just say that they aren't on my "untouchables" list, and "born ready" had better start kicking his own rear hard and get with it. Young or not.

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