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  • #46
    Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    OK... I've looked it up. For all intents and purposes, "Intimidation" is "Assault" but filters things a bit to fit certain scenarios. If you can charge "Intimidation" then "Assault" would be redundant.

    [b] IC 35-45-2-1
    Intimidation
    35-45-2-1 Sec.
    1. (a) A person who communicates a threat to another person, with the intent:
    (1) that the other person engage in conduct against the other person's will;
    (2) that the other person be placed in fear of retaliation for a prior lawful act; or
    (3) of causing:
    (A) a dwelling, a building, or another structure; or
    (B) a vehicle;
    to be evacuated;
    commits intimidation, a Class A misdemeanor.
    (b) However, the offense is a:
    (1) Class D felony if:
    (A) the threat is to commit a forcible felony;
    (B) the person to whom the threat is communicated:
    (i) is a law enforcement officer;
    (ii) is a judge or bailiff of any court;
    (iii) is a witness (or the spouse or child of a witness) in any pending criminal proceeding against the person making the threat;
    (iv) is an employee of a school corporation;
    (v) is a community policing volunteer;
    (vi) is an employee of a court;
    (vii) is an employee of a probation department; or
    (viii) is an employee of a community corrections program.
    (C) the person has a prior unrelated conviction for an offense under this section concerning the same victim; or
    (D) the threat is communicated using property, including electronic equipment or systems, of a school corporation or other governmental entity; and
    (2) Class C felony if, while committing it, the person draws or uses a deadly weapon.
    (c) "Threat" means an expression, by words or action, of an intention to:
    (1) unlawfully injure the person threatened or another person, or damage property;
    (2) unlawfully subject a person to physical confinement or restraint;
    (3) commit a crime;
    (4) unlawfully withhold official action, or cause such withholding;
    (5) unlawfully withhold testimony or information with respect to another person's legal claim or defense, except for a reasonable claim for witness fees or expenses;
    (6) expose the person threatened to hatred, contempt, disgrace, or ridicule;
    (7) falsely harm the credit or business reputation of the person threatened; or
    (8) cause the evacuation of a dwelling, a building, another structure, or a vehicle.
    Thanks, bball, you saved me the time and effort! As someone who files batteries and intimidation charges literally ever day, I can tell you intimdation is an EASY charge to file. Most people don't realize they're doing it when they commit the charge.

    "You F'ing touch my car, I'll kill you!"

    "If you call the police, I'll break into your house after they leave."

    "If you don't pay me my money, I'll steal your car back."

    You're threatening to commit a felony (Murder, burglary, auto theft, respectively), in response to someone doing something they have a legal right to do (touch the car, call 911, not pay more money than agreed upon.)

    The difference between "I'll blow your house up" and 'I'll blow your house up IF..." is HUGE.

    Intimidation is a big scary, lower tier felony charge that's extremely easy to make, when you have witnesses. You almost HAVE to file it when threats are made, along with violence.

    I think the name GRAND JURY is where people get tripped up. They hear Jury and make a rush to judgement. "Oh my garsh! It's a GRAND JURY. THey decide guilt or innosense." Nope all they do is say whether there is a factual basis to go forward with an actual trial. All the GJ does is reccomend that the case be tried or not. That's all. yeah, they can indict a ham sandwhich, if needed, lol, but ultimately what you want to hear is if there is factual basis to go forward with an actual trial.
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    • #47
      Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

      This whole thing stinks, sounds like this Brizzi cat is trying to make a name for himself.
      Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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      • #48
        Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

        The man suspected of trying to steal fur coats escaped.
        How ironic. That line just cracked me up for some reason.

        Originally posted by rexnom View Post
        Wow...this is a lot more serious than I originally thought. Crap.
        No it's not. As mentioned, all they did was decide to send it to trial. Apparently the GJ felt they had shown enough evidence to be worth the city's/county's money to hear the case.

        They've used the verbal threat to ramp it up and it looks nice and showy. At worst Tins said "I'll kill you" in some context of anger and then punched the guy. It's a fight. How many fights don't involve the words "I'll kill you" or some variation.

        I just don't get the pub on this. The LEADER item on RTV last night was 5 minutes of "Pacers brought up on felony chargeS", as in plural, as in both Pacers too. Why? You have one simple class D stretch (I realize as Ech points out that it's not a stretch in everyday legal practice sense, just that there are felonies and then there are felonies) and that turns into 15% of your news coverage at least?


        Meanwhile a guy is KILLED while shooting at cops at the McDonald's across the street from Greenwood Mall and at one of the busier intersections in town and it gets at most the same amount of coverage the next day. What is it with the local media going crazy with a story that was already written many weeks ago (when 8 Seconds actually occurred) or a .09 Rhodes DUI?

        If Rhodes got out, went on a Jew hating rant ala Gibson, punched a cop, swerved into the median or some other "wow, I can't believe someone did that" then I could see the gasp-induced reporting.

        But a story that is basically "well, the judicial system didn't come to a halt for the Pacers" making almost bigger news than the night the fight went down? Not them being found guilty mind you. Just more of what we already knew. In fact people posting here in response to this from either side (mad at prosecution or the Pacers) just proved my point, that the news created a story from nothing. Nothing new happened, but people think something did. "oh, there are the Pacers, in the news again". Not again, still the same old story.

        It just gets cumbersome reading posts by people so blind with love, they can't even begin to fathom that there is any other solution than outright conspiracy at all levels to undermine the wonderful human being that is Jamaal....
        I've been pretty verbal about this whole thing being blown way out of proportion, so I suspect I might be one of the posters you mean. But if so you have misread my points. I defend Tins in the sense that he's NOT GUILTY yet, that's all. If it were your family or friend on trial you would certainly want that same treatment (innocent till proven guilty).

        Tins isn't family, my point is just that it's socially irresponsible not to afford everyone the same rights of innocence. And my other point has been to wonder why the hiccups that are Pacers incidents are turned into Indy's version of Jamal Lewis getting 4 months for a major drug deal.

        Stuff happens in Indy that is a 10 in the hype dept here but would hit about 3 in a lot of other cities.

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        • #49
          Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

          As a follow-up, expect Rhodes pleading and getting probation, fine and alcoholism classes to be 5 minutes of news time in 6 months...if Brizzi has it then it will probably get done on opening day of the Colts regular season in fact. Huge, major news about Rhodes "at it again" even though it's still the same old DUI story coming to completion.


          Let's burn her for being a witch.
          We already burned her.
          Burn her again then, I need something to talk about at the water cooler.

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          • #50
            Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            As a follow-up, expect Rhodes pleading and getting probation, fine and alcoholism classes to be 5 minutes of news time in 6 months...if Brizzi has it then it will probably get done on opening day of the Colts regular season in fact. Huge, major news about Rhodes "at it again" even though it's still the same old DUI story coming to completion.


            Let's burn her for being a witch.
            We already burned her.
            Burn her again then, I need something to talk about at the water cooler.

            At .09, depending on whether he took advantage of his right to remain silent or not (and what he might've said), AND considering his wallet size, I could see this being fought with at least a decent possibility of it being beaten or lesser charges offered.

            -Bball
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            • #51
              Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

              I've been pretty verbal about this whole thing being blown way out of proportion, so I suspect I might be one of the posters you mean. But if so you have misread my points. I defend Tins in the sense that he's NOT GUILTY yet, that's all. If it were your family or friend on trial you would certainly want that same treatment (innocent till proven guilty).

              Tins isn't family, my point is just that it's socially irresponsible not to afford everyone the same rights of innocence. And my other point has been to wonder why the hiccups that are Pacers incidents are turned into Indy's version of Jamal Lewis getting 4 months for a major drug deal.

              Stuff happens in Indy that is a 10 in the hype dept here but would hit about 3 in a lot of other cities.
              I wasn't talking about you.

              I believe in innocence until guilt is proven, but the mood with some posters around here would be innocent even if proven guilty. It would be a "jury/judge/prosecutor wanted to be in the spotlight" or "they got found guilty because of their public persona, not the facts" type argument.....I have no problem not hanging someone out to dry until it is deserved, but the fact remains that where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Even if innocence is proven here, there has been enough smoke that there is no way there isn't SOME kind of fire with a certain couple players. They have bad habits, or they just happen to be magnets for trouble. Either way, THEY are the ones who need to change for the good of the franchise (and their own careers, I might add), and they have been given ample time to accomplish that. It hasn't happened, and my money is on it not happening.

              They aren't held nearly accountable for their actions and habits and that is the root of the problem. It is also the reason they will never change. Even if the Pacers dump them, there is always another team (i.e. GS Warriors) who will give them a chance based on talent, even with pending charges. It just sucks that the Pacers are the entity that gets screwed when players kill their own trade value.

              There has been blind Tinsley love around here since long before Club Rio, and it was annoying THEN. Given the latest two incidents, it is just getting to be more than I can bear. That is all I was saying....



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              • #52
                Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                To those of you that are making the claim that Brizzi is just politicing and on a witch-hunt, he gave Tinsley a pass on the Club Rio incident. Remember, Tinsley had pot in his car. If Brizzi wanted to he could have indicted him on a charge then, but chose not to because there wasn't enough evidence to convict anyone.

                Brizzi is doing his job. Whatever he does is going to be scrutinized since it involves a high profile person. It wasn't the prosecuters office that leaked the story in the first place. What else was Brizzi supposed to do when there was a police report floating around in the media? To me, it just looks like having a Grand Jury was to cross every t and dot every i.

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                • #53
                  Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                  Originally posted by heywoode View Post
                  I wasn't talking about you.

                  I believe in innocence until guilt is proven, but the mood with some posters around here would be innocent even if proven guilty. It would be a "jury/judge/prosecutor wanted to be in the spotlight" or "they got found guilty because of their public persona, not the facts" type argument.....I have no problem not hanging someone out to dry until it is deserved, but the fact remains that where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Even if innocence is proven here, there has been enough smoke that there is no way there isn't SOME kind of fire with a certain couple players. They have bad habits, or they just happen to be magnets for trouble. Either way, THEY are the ones who need to change for the good of the franchise (and their own careers, I might add), and they have been given ample time to accomplish that. It hasn't happened, and my money is on it not happening.

                  They aren't held nearly accountable for their actions and habits and that is the root of the problem. It is also the reason they will never change. Even if the Pacers dump them, there is always another team (i.e. GS Warriors) who will give them a chance based on talent, even with pending charges. It just sucks that the Pacers are the entity that gets screwed when players kill their own trade value.

                  There has been blind Tinsley love around here since long before Club Rio, and it was annoying THEN. Given the latest two incidents, it is just getting to be more than I can bear. That is all I was saying....
                  For the most part, Tins is hated around here. He has no love outside of a few posters.

                  On this board, i think that most people understand that the indictment does not equal a conviction, but I think that the public at large hears the words jury and decision and concludes that they have been found guilty of something.
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                  • #54
                    Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                    Originally posted by Tyrion View Post
                    To those of you that are making the claim that Brizzi is just politicing and on a witch-hunt, he gave Tinsley a pass on the Club Rio incident. Remember, Tinsley had pot in his car. If Brizzi wanted to he could have indicted him on a charge then, but chose not to because there wasn't enough evidence to convict anyone.

                    Brizzi is doing his job. Whatever he does is going to be scrutinized since it involves a high profile person. It wasn't the prosecuters office that leaked the story in the first place. What else was Brizzi supposed to do when there was a police report floating around in the media? To me, it just looks like having a Grand Jury was to cross every t and dot every i.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                      Are Tinsley and Marquis gonna play todays game?

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                      • #56
                        Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                        Originally posted by FrenchConnection View Post
                        I think that the public has rushed to judgement. Hoosiers are really good at that.

                        I guess lumping a whole state together isn't rushing to any type of judgement? I would say that at the least Tinsley and Daniels excercised poor judgement by being at a nightclub in the wee hours of the night, especially with their Club Rio involvement so recent in their memory.
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