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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: What Video game did you last play?

    Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
    Been playing the crap out of FFX HD since it got released. Its got to tide me over till October. So I am thinking about going for the Perfect/Max characters. Going to take awhile. But with how much me and the GF have been fighting, might have alot more free time on my hands soon.

    If you played FFX back on the PS2 and like it, this is definitely worth it.
    too bad they don't come out on the Xbox. *sigh*
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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    • Re: What Video game did you last play?

      Originally posted by thewholefnshow31 View Post
      I would suggest sticking with one build as there is just so much to do in Skyrim that having two characters will just slow your experience down. I ended up sticking with a jack of all trade type character. Focused on a thief character with main focus of sneak, pickpocket, and archery.

      I still find myself going back to Skyrim and playing a bit. I still have an entire DLC to finish.
      I role play pretty hard, which is why I have so many builds.

      My first was a Wood elf Ranger, who strictly followed the green pact(can't harm plants or trees, so no alchemy with flowers, not allowed to make my own arrows or build a house w/Hearthfire). Couldn't use destructive magic, minimal enchanting(trying to bring balance back to the world, destructive magic throws off the worldly balance). Couldn't do any Deadra-favoring quests, save Meridia's temple. A full-on Lawful-Good character, with Archery being the combat focus.

      The second one I did was a Hold Guard. I've been roaming around Holds wearing Guard armor and becoming Thane by doing all the miscellaneous quests that help the people of Skyrim. He's a sword and board Breton(I like the magic resistance better than the Nord racial passive ability) with limited enchanting and alchemy abilities. This one's been real fun, the biggest challenge is getting Guard Armor from each Hold without outright killing guards and looting them.

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      • Re: What Video game did you last play?

        Originally posted by TinManJoshua View Post
        I role play pretty hard, which is why I have so many builds.

        My first was a Wood elf Ranger, who strictly followed the green pact(can't harm plants or trees, so no alchemy with flowers, not allowed to make my own arrows or build a house w/Hearthfire). Couldn't use destructive magic, minimal enchanting(trying to bring balance back to the world, destructive magic throws off the worldly balance). Couldn't do any Deadra-favoring quests, save Meridia's temple. A full-on Lawful-Good character, with Archery being the combat focus.

        The second one I did was a Hold Guard. I've been roaming around Holds wearing Guard armor and becoming Thane by doing all the miscellaneous quests that help the people of Skyrim. He's a sword and board Breton(I like the magic resistance better than the Nord racial passive ability) with limited enchanting and alchemy abilities. This one's been real fun, the biggest challenge is getting Guard Armor from each Hold without outright killing guards and looting them.
        I tried to do the good guy route, but then you just miss out on so much. The thief character just feel in nicely being able to do everything as long as it benefited me.

        Skyrim will definitely go down as one of those games I will always wish I could just erase my experience with it and play it fresh again.

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        • Re: What Video game did you last play?

          Originally posted by thewholefnshow31 View Post
          I tried to do the good guy route, but then you just miss out on so much. The thief character just feel in nicely being able to do everything as long as it benefited me.

          Skyrim will definitely go down as one of those games I will always wish I could just erase my experience with it and play it fresh again.
          I've been playing the Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall. Bethesda still has no clue on close combat and boss fights. Just wish they'd do a better job. That's why I always choose a long range character. Stealthy with bow gets you through dungeons with little to no problem. Just takes longer. As for close combat, it's remained much the same. Take a swack, back up to dodge, move forward and swack again. Pretty boring. Should have included some elite dragons (something similar to the 4 rare ships to destroy in ACIV). Just something, cause that last dragon fight was weak sauce. Morrowind last fight was weak and Oblivion...I think you were cheated out of it.

          I should def try again and play as a Kajhit(sp) next time. I think that's the only race I've never played as.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • Re: What Video game did you last play?

            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
            I've been playing the Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall. Bethesda still has no clue on close combat and boss fights. Just wish they'd do a better job. That's why I always choose a long range character. Stealthy with bow gets you through dungeons with little to no problem. Just takes longer. As for close combat, it's remained much the same. Take a swack, back up to dodge, move forward and swack again. Pretty boring. Should have included some elite dragons (something similar to the 4 rare ships to destroy in ACIV). Just something, cause that last dragon fight was weak sauce. Morrowind last fight was weak and Oblivion...I think you were cheated out of it.

            I should def try again and play as a Kajhit(sp) next time. I think that's the only race I've never played as.
            I agree the close combat and boss fights were a little lacking, but then you can go the other extreme in something like Dark Souls where the boss fights are insane. To me those boss fights end up being trial and error until you find what works and by the time you do that you can easily be burnt out. Hopefully Bethesda can work on that aspect for next gen and come a happy medium.

            I loved my Khajiit thief. Though it was always funny seeing the tail stick out of the armor, but it they just fit so perfectly as a thief. I have been dying for a next gen RPG. Witcher 3 was delayed and Kingdom Come: Deliverance looks promising, but so far away.

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            • Re: What Video game did you last play?

              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
              I've been playing the Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall.
              Best $2 I ever spent at Goodwill.
              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                I had my most satisfying kill in all of gaming the other night. Playing Conquest in Battlefield 4 and this helicopter was shooting up my teammates at a flag and pull out my the sniper rifle and just hope I can help. I pull the trigger and boom head shot. The helicopter crashes into the water and we hold the flag. That took the place of my double kill sniper shot back in Halo 3.

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                • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                  WSOP (poker) downloaded it free on xbox 360. Never been much into poker, but it's kinda addicting. I used to play a lot of euchre when I still lived in Indiana. No one plays euchre in Georgia it seems.

                  cool story, while attending IU, they had an all night thing with events, including a euchre tourney. My bud and I won it all, and we shouldn't have been in the playoff rounds. The team that was right above us didn't show up, so we got to take their place. Good times. All we won was a t-shirt. hahaha But it was fun playing euchre for hours on end.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                    About three weeks ago I finally decided to buy Skyrim, due to all the great things said on here about it, and my GF is really happy about it. Im hooked. I'm now a 42 overall, and I just went over 100 in enchanting. When you legendary a skill, it says you get the perk points you spent back, but that means I lose those perks as well right? Being able to put dual enchantments on items has really cut down all the items I carry and I don't want to lose that ability.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      About three weeks ago I finally decided to buy Skyrim, due to all the great things said on here about it, and my GF is really happy about it. Im hooked. I'm now a 42 overall, and I just went over 100 in enchanting. When you legendary a skill, it says you get the perk points you spent back, but that means I lose those perks as well right? Being able to put dual enchantments on items has really cut down all the items I carry and I don't want to lose that ability.
                      Yep, you get those perk points back and it will revert your enchanting back to its lowest level. Then you can redistribute those points or wait while you rebuild your enchanting skill. It was a way for them to keep you going and not max everything out.

                      What I did with enchanting was I found the armor and rings that I wanted to use, set them up as I wanted, and then did the legendary skill for enchanting and just redistributed those skill points else where.

                      I would love if Bethesda just released remastered version for PS4 and X1 to tide me over until their next one. I refuse to purchase Elder Scrolls Online. I am not paying $60 for the game and then a monthly fee to just play the game that I already bought.

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                      • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                        I'm almost 50, and can start getting dragon armor. Probably just wait to go through legendary, until I get all the dragon pieces and can enchant them.


                        Game is addicting. I can spend an hour doing nothing but smithing and selling items I collected over the last two/three quests.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                          I found enchanting to be pretty useless once you are set with your rings/armor. Eventually you are going to have so much money that the extra money you earn with whit enchanting is a bit useless. Though with the Hearthfire DLC you need lots of money when you want to decorate your house.

                          I always found myself getting lost in Skyrim for hours and it would not necessarily because I was doing a tone of quests. I just would find myself wondering around Skyrim exploring. I could sit for hours and play that game and not really accomplish a lot of stuff when it came to quests.

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                          • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                            Dungeon Defenders. Actually pretty fun game. It's more deep than I first gave it credit for. I love trying to come up with strategies to win. It's far from easy too. Even on the easiest level quickly becomes difficult if you don't have your towers/defenses set up properly for the sheer number of enemies that come out.

                            Lots of fun. So far I'm just playing with a good friend. Anyone else playing this and want to join my bud and me? Been also playing the free poker game that came out a month or two ago.

                            Xbox gamertag: kemosabe19
                            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                            • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                              Broke out my old PS2 over the weekend and some of the PS1 games I still have laying around. Showed my boy how to play Suikoden and Final Fantasy Tactics. Both of those games are TONS of fun.

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                              • Re: What Video game did you last play?

                                Watch_Dogs - Me likely a loty.

                                Just to get it out of the way, if you are expecting a in-depth hacking simulator, go to the early 2000s PC Classic Uplink. The environmental hacking is keyed to one key and is quick and painless.

                                WD is great wide open fun. You can go into a situation guns blazing or you can complete it without firing a shot. The stealth system is excellently built into the game, and the Digital Trips are a blast. Just brilliance.
                                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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