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Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

    B+ for PG? Without him the Pacers lose this game tonight.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

      Originally posted by Peck View Post

      ...Danny is just a fighter. Sure there are times that he may not come in at 100% but then there are times when he either gets mad or fed up that he can throw the team on his back and win. He has done that several times this year and tonight was no different. I think Danny was just not going to let us lose to the Nets. Deron Williams is a true star in this league, probably one of the top 3 point guards in the NBA and actually if he had a better team you could make an argument that he might be the best (depends really what you want from your point guard). But Danny just out willed him tonight.
      I was going to post something like this in the "this team has quit" thread as a reason that it should be locked, but I didn't want to give a stupid thread a bump.

      Danny could have taken a week off and let his ankle heal 100%. No, that is just not who he is. This team hasn't quit, and at least for last night the reason was that Danny wouldn't let them quit.

      (Now, if you are a mod and reading this, please go lock the quit thread!)
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

        [QUOTE=Peck;1376140]

        Let me say that Kris Humphries is a very under rated power forward. I have no idea why this guy does not get more attention really in the NBA because he is athletic, strong and quick. He basically destroyed David West tonight and while he didn’t quite abuse Tyler he didn’t let Tyler get anything going either.


        I don’t mean to sound to negative about all of this, a win is a win so we’ll take it and stop the bleeding. QUOTE]


        I was thinking this after the game how much better Humphries was than I remembered. He is very athletic, I didn't realize this, and has a nice mid-range jumper. I was wrong feeling he was nothing more than a garbage put back type player like Foster. Speaking of Foster, that jumper he hit was fantastic. The Pacers needed that basket.

        There was a time when the Pacers got down by 11 in the 1st qtr I was seeing deja vue. This win, even though against a below .500 team, hopefully is a start of better things, but again it was against a team under .500, so I'm not going to get carried away with the win. Just glad to have won!

        Has Marshon Brooks ever seen a shot he didn't like or couldn't hit? He's definately a shooter who can score.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

          Peck,

          Humphries went 0-4 (3-7 total) from the FT line the last time we played them when using the "Reggie Bush" chant. We were definitely going to use it again. Also, he blew a kiss in the air and then pointed at us when he finally made a FT. I'm sure it does bother him, but like Day-V said he knew what he was getting into when he let E! follow his every move around with a camera. He was also paid pretty handsomely for that "show" I would imagine.

          There are definitely lines that we should not cross, but IN MY OPINION this was not one of them. However, I told JonnyB83 on the way out of the Fieldhouse that I would love to have him on our team. Hell, he'd be one of my favorite Pacers. He has a Tyler level of enthusiasm about him, but also has the skill to go with it.
          Last edited by BPump33; 02-17-2012, 10:24 AM.
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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

            A couple of things. First:

            Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
            PG defended Will the entire game except when LS and DJ gave him a break. I don't get what your saying.
            In the game I was watching, DC was "defending" DWill in the first quarter. I even remember commenting that PG and DC should be switched on defense.

            Second:

            Two guys changed things when they hit the floor but not in ways anyone could really quantize:

            When Lance first came in he began to really get physical on DWill, which I think kind of knocked him for a loop and took him out of the zone he'd gotten into against DC. Just for that alone I think this was one of Lance's most effective games on the floor.

            Tyler's hands were basically on everything within reach every time he got near the ball. It seemed like other guys were so afraid to foul that they kept out of the scramble, while TH got in there and messed around. I'd like to think that helped them get some of their defensive aggression back.
            BillS

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              A couple of things. First:

              In the game I was watching, DC was "defending" DWill in the first quarter. I even remember commenting that PG and DC should be switched on defense.
              I'm pretty sure those 4 straight buckets he got posting up in the 1st quarter was due to DC being physically over matched, and left without a chance. Which is also why he found himself on the bench in the 4th quarter.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                . . . Let me say that Kris Humphries is a very under rated power forward. I have no idea why this guy does not get more attention really in the NBA because he is athletic, strong and quick. He basically destroyed David West tonight and while he didn’t quite abuse Tyler he didn’t let Tyler get anything going either. . .
                IIRC, humphries had most of his points early. evidently the west and hansbrough didn't read the scouting report that humphries has only one hand. once they started crowding his right hand, things settled down.

                the reason he doesn't get more attention is offensively, he is only a jump shooter with one hand. and defensively, offensively dwest had a good game against him. ie he doesn't appear to be a top notch defender. humphries is a better version of troy murphy, without the 3 pt shooting. better defender, but not a good defender.

                it seems h is just a bad matchup for the current, undersized, pacer PF. so he is one of those guys that looks good against the pacers. better than his actual value. that said, he would still be a nice addition to the frontcourt rotation. pacers could use some size.

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                  PG defended Will the entire game except when LS and DJ gave him a break. I don't get what your saying.

                  Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
                  Eh, wha? I think you're confused.

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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by Peck View Post

                    Also I’ll say this. I really like the area 55 guys and I think they bring a lot to the game and the experience. But I can tell you that the Nets bench was not very happy about them chanting Reggie Bush. Now Kris never acknowledged it, that I saw, but I heard very vividly Jordan Farmar and Sheldon Williams saying how low class they thought that was.
                    Congrats to AREA 55 you're under their skin..... As others have pointed out you can't go on a reality show designed to create controversy, fake drama, to get people to tune in and get paid for it without being willing to take the heat.

                    Kris Humphries signed on to be in the lime light and he succeeded.
                    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

                      David West: C- Did hit the offensive glass tonight and he did score. But his defense, as has been the case lately, was at best poor. Humphries made him look like he was 38 with two knee replacements. Also is it my imagination or does he sometimes make some really stupid plays at the end of games when he is passing?
                      His defense has been bad lately? how about all year? he is Boozer's bad, too bad we don't have a defensive machine like Noah to help on this a bit.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #26
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                        Peck, more information from the Nets bench, I love that type of stuff. Can you pick up on whether they like playing for Avery.

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                        • #27
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                          Like I said earlier, "Reggie Bush" is downright tame. I wonder what Farmar and Sheldon think of Knicks, Bulls, and ESPECIALLY Philly fans. Their stuff is probably 10x worse and definitely over the line of what Area55 as a whole would probably consider uncomfortable.

                          Which reminds me, somehow some of us got to mocking Twilight during halftime last night. Time to find out if any NBA players have made the mistake of saying they like that crap.
                          Last edited by Sandman21; 02-17-2012, 11:37 AM.
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                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            A couple of things. First:



                            In the game I was watching, DC was "defending" DWill in the first quarter. I even remember commenting that PG and DC should be switched on defense.
                            My dog unplugged my dtv box early in the first. I actually thought it was dumb to start DC, knowing what would happen. PG still guarded him the vast majority of the game. It wasn't saved for the end, which was the point I was making.

                            Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
                            Last edited by spazzxb; 02-17-2012, 11:46 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

                              I think you are confusing someone pointing out juvenile and classless behavior with getting under someone's skin. One can do the first without the other happening, trust me I know from working with middle schoolers. I have never talked with the guy, but I think she had more to do with the set up and then proceeded to perform a great hatchet job on him. Of course why any guy would want to be with her after the number of guys she has been with is beyond me.

                              I guess I would prefer we stayed as classy as fans as we want our players to be. Might not that behavior cause some not to come back to see a game?

                              Wish I could get those seats for the Pacers down here in March!


                              Originally posted by BPump33 View Post
                              Peck,

                              Humphries went 0-4 (3-7 total) from the FT line the last time we played them when using the "Reggie Bush" chant. We were definitely going to use it again. Also, he blew a kiss in the air and then pointed at us when he finally made a FT. I'm sure it does bother him, but like Day-V said he knew what he was getting into when he let E! follow his every move around with a camera. He was also paid pretty handsomely for that "show" I would imagine.

                              There are definitely lines that we should not cross, but IN MY OPINION this was not one of them. However, I told JonnyB83 on the way out of the Fieldhouse that I would love to have him on our team. Hell, he'd be one of my favorite Pacers. He has a Tyler level of enthusiasm about him, but also has the skill to go with it.
                              Originally posted by RWB View Post
                              Congrats to AREA 55 you're under their skin..... As others have pointed out you can't go on a reality show designed to create controversy, fake drama, to get people to tune in and get paid for it without being willing to take the heat.

                              Kris Humphries signed on to be in the lime light and he succeeded.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Chicken Soup for the soul

                                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                                IIRC, humphries had most of his points early. evidently the west and hansbrough didn't read the scouting report that humphries has only one hand. once they started crowding his right hand, things settled down.

                                the reason he doesn't get more attention is offensively, he is only a jump shooter with one hand. and defensively, offensively dwest had a good game against him. ie he doesn't appear to be a top notch defender. humphries is a better version of troy murphy, without the 3 pt shooting. better defender, but not a good defender.

                                it seems h is just a bad matchup for the current, undersized, pacer PF. so he is one of those guys that looks good against the pacers. better than his actual value. that said, he would still be a nice addition to the frontcourt rotation. pacers could use some size.
                                If i recall Hump only signed a one year deal with NJ. So he could be had. i'd take him over Hansbrough any day.
                                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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