Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

[spazzxb]

Right now, Luck is 27 spots behind RGIII in QB rating..... He is tied with Weeden for 31st. RGIII has the best completion percentage in the entire NFL. Add his own much better running game and there are miles between Luck and RGIII. Luck leads in the number of attempts. In fact, when you run the numbers over seven games, only Drew Brees is going to the air more than Luck. The 53% completion record compared to RGIII's league leading 70% is a huge statistic to show which one of them is the more efficient QB....

luck has put the offense on his shoulders since day 1. Cherry picked stats don't mean much when your responsible for leading the whole offense. You just seem to ignore the whole mental side of the game. This confuses me since Peyton's most important attribute was never physical.

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[OlBlu]

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luck has put the offense on his shoulders since day 1. Cherry picked stats don't mean much when your responsible for leading the whole offense. You just seem to ignore the whole mental side of the game. This confuses me since Peyton's most important attribute was never physical.

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Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....

[DGPR]

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Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....

The exact same can be said about you! Hypocrisy seems to be one of your biggest traits.

[Gamble1]

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Olblu if you want to lookk at one stat that's fine. There is no denying that RG3 completion percentage is great but one stat doesn't tell the whole story which is why total QBR rating was put in place. Josh freeman destroyed the saints defense and drew brees could have broke the nfl td record for a game. Those 2 defenses RG3 played against and most teams would do great against those dbs. I liken it to an open book test. Am I suprised that RG3 did well against those teams? Not at all.

[OlBlu]

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The exact same can be said about you! Hypocrisy seems to be one of your biggest traits.

It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats. I have to many players and teams who look great on paper until they start playing the game. I think Luck is one of those and the stats that show him to be the 31st best QB in the NFL and fifth out of five starting rookie QBs back up my ascertation that this is not the QB you all thought you signed. He is NOT "the most NFL prepared QB in history." He is a QB who just happened to play in and NFL system and it isn't translating very well to the games themselves. If I was a hypocrit, somewhere along the line I would jump on the Luck bandwagon. I didn't do that before he was drafted when I suggested that RGIII seemed to be much better and I won't be doing it any time soon. I do not see this guy ever being a top ten in the NFL QB.... The player he replaced is a top ten NFL QB even after sitting out over a year with injury.....

In the immortal words of President Obama, "Proceed sir..."

[OlBlu]

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Olblu if you want to lookk at one stat that's fine. There is no denying that RG3 completion percentage is great but one stat doesn't tell the whole story which is why total QBR rating was put in place. Josh freeman destroyed the saints defense and drew brees could have broke the nfl td record for a game. Those 2 defenses RG3 played against and most teams would do great against those dbs. I liken it to an open book test. Am I suprised that RG3 did well against those teams? Not at all.

I think you will find that QBR pays off to anyone who chucks it by the ton. It doesn't take into consideration missed passes like the regular QB rating does. So, if you want to do well there, just pass the ball 70 times per game and you will be the number one QB. It won't matter if you only hit 45% of them. The regular QB rating is still the best measurement in my book and it is what just about everyone uses. In the case of the rookie QBs, I think it has it down very well.... By the way, RGIII had a great day against the Giants. What makes you think he won't have a great day against any team in the NFL?

[DGPR]

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It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats. I have to many players and teams who look great on paper until they start playing the game. I think Luck is one of those and the stats that show him to be the 31st best QB in the NFL and fifth out of five starting rookie QBs back up my ascertation that this is not the QB you all thought you signed. He is NOT "the most NFL prepared QB in history." He is a QB who just happened to play in and NFL system and it isn't translating very well to the games themselves. If I was a hypocrit, somewhere along the line I would jump on the Luck bandwagon. I didn't do that before he was drafted when I suggested that RGIII seemed to be much better and I won't be doing it any time soon. I do not see this guy ever being a top ten in the NFL QB.... The player he replaced is a top ten NFL QB even after sitting out over a year with injury.....

In the immortal words of President Obama, "Proceed sir..."

You do post statistics but only if they are beneficial to your seriously skewed point of view. I don't think anybody here is saying Luck is the best in the NFL right now but he is a damn good quarterback. You keep regurgitating the same thing about completion percentage and TD to INT ratios compared to Manning and RG3, yet you fail to accept that all 3 were/are in different positions. He is on pace to have just as good, if not better of a rookie campaign as Manning yet you are too stubborn to admit it. Nobody cares what you "think" he "might" do. He was very hyped coming out of college because his résumé spoke for itself, but don't forget ESPN kissed RG3's *** just as hard. He is in a different system with a much better offensive line and you fail to acknowledge that gives him a huge advantage.

[OlBlu]

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You do post statistics but only if they are beneficial to your seriously skewed point of view. I don't think anybody here is saying Luck is the best in the NFL right now but he is a damn good quarterback. You keep regurgitating the same thing about completion percentage and TD to INT ratios compared to Manning and RG3, yet you fail to accept that all 3 were/are in different positions. He is on pace to have just as good, if not better of a rookie campaign as Manning yet you are too stubborn to admit it. Nobody cares what you "think" he "might" do. He was very hyped coming out of college because his résumé spoke for itself, but don't forget ESPN kissed RG3's *** just as hard. He is in a different system with a much better offensive line and you fail to acknowledge that gives him a huge advantage.

I'll tell you were Luck really leads the NFL. He leads in excuse makers for his lack luster performances...... You all have a bunch of them all of the time. Luck will never even be a pimple on Peyton's arse....

[DGPR]

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I'll tell you were Luck really leads the NFL. He leads in excuse makers for his lack luster performances...... You all have a bunch of them all of the time. Luck will never even be a pimple on Peyton's arse....

Way to further contribute to the conversation. Come back when you have some different ******** to sell.

[Kid Minneapolis]

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It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats.

That's funny, you seem to lean on a bunch of stats to proclaim RG3 the greatest quarterback in the NFL. Or commercials or endorsements.

[DGPR]

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That's funny, you seem to lean on a bunch of stats to proclaim RG3 the greatest quarterback in the NFL. Or commercials or endorsements.

Well at least he did say that endorsements and advertising have nothing to do with making a player a superstar. So he at least has that line of **** going for him.

[Suaveness]

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I think you will find that QBR pays off to anyone who chucks it by the ton. It doesn't take into consideration missed passes like the regular QB rating does. So, if you want to do well there, just pass the ball 70 times per game and you will be the number one QB. It won't matter if you only hit 45% of them. The regular QB rating is still the best measurement in my book and it is what just about everyone uses. In the case of the rookie QBs, I think it has it down very well.... By the way, RGIII had a great day against the Giants. What makes you think he won't have a great day against any team in the NFL?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating

I'd read that

[Swingman]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating

I'd read that

you're assuming he can read.

[spazzxb]

Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....

Did you call me a monkey? I want to be 4-2, but I am happy with the reality of a .500 record. Heck the jets almost beat Brady, the jags game stings.

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[Ace E.Anderson]

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So I present this question to the forum...

COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION MIND YOU. SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A PREDICTION OF SOME SORT

Griffin is already considered by many to be the most electrifying player going in the NFL thus far this season. If he were able to garner 1st place votes for the MVP award, or even somehow managed to win the award (though unlikely--a few journalists have begun stating that he's in the discussion) would you then be willing to consider that he's a better player than Luck?