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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Pacer/Laker trade nears?

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  • Re: Pacer/Laker trade nears?

    This obviously is an ideal trade for Indy because they would be bending LA over.

    Looks like LA is going for leverage or a cheaper option.

    Has Kobe come to convince Gasol?

    Kobe, who is spending a few days kicking back in Barca, ran into Pau at the gym in the Juan Carlos hotel, where they had a conversation.

    Kobe has demanded quality upgrades in order to stay with the Lakers, and Gasol has kept the exit door open in Memphis.

    "I ran into Kobe by chance; and he told me his things, and I told him mine. I'm also not going to tell you everything we talked about."
    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/3...o/1006215.html
    Last edited by 2Cleva; 06-15-2007, 11:28 AM.

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    • Re: Pacer/Laker trade nears?

      Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
      A first and a second round...not two first rounders, they don't have two first rounders....did I say first rounder or two draft picks?

      They have three, 1 first round, and two second rounds....
      I know the Lakers only have one first rounder. I thought you might be referring to another trade the Pacers were rumored to be looking at or a possible third team.


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      • Re: Pacer/Laker trade nears?

        Originally posted by Smashed_Potato View Post
        You have to look at things from both sides. the Pacers can't simpley ask for 3 demands and then throw in Murphy which is a bad standard for the Lakers.

        i only wanted Troy Murphy if the Lakers could've kept either Odom or Bynum or even the pick. but to give up the whole front-line for just 1 front-line basically with no substance in the deal is not how business works.

        Lakers are playing smart i know people think Pacers have leverage here and trust me they do but that doesn't mean taking everything from another team and expecting them to accept.

        Plus Walsh likes when deals get dragged on forever so maybe there is something to think about.

        Mr. Milkman is at it again.
        But you have to consider this: We're trading our franchise player, one that we don't have to trade, and certainly one we're not in any hurry to trade. He's not going anywhere unless it's for a really freakin' sweet deal. You've got to knock our socks off with what you're offering, or else he isn't going to your team.

        Besides, no matter how much the Lakers give up, they're still getting the best player in the deal by far. Given that, they should be expected concede some of the littler stuff.
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • Re: Pacer/Laker trade nears?

          I saw that article from the LA times this morning too and was very surprised/happy to see Troy Murphy involved in those talks. Anyways here is my viewpoint on all of this:

          I think its really tough to match up salaries if you are the Lakers and are trading away just Bynum. That would mean that Kwame Brown (9M expiring), Vlad Rad, and possibly Farmar. Maybe thats why its just not him.

          If we are dealing JO, Tinsley, AND Murphy, thats alot of salary matching (32M for Pacers). At least Odom and Kwame with Bynum and Vlad Rad. I don't understand why they would want Murphy's contract as it just makes it harder to negotiate with matching salaries since LA is over the cap.

          I think if your the Pacers organization, if you don't get Bynum, then you need to get that 1st round pick with Odom and Kwame.

          Also, we are mroe than likely going to get Kwame. His 9M salary helps match salaries. Thats 9M expiring too.

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          • Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

            According to this article today the talks have stalled....

            Lakers-Pacers talks stall
            L.A. doesn't want to give up Odom and Bynum in a deal for Jermaine O'Neal
            By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer
            June 15, 2007



            Sitting still
            click to enlargeWhere's Jermaine O'Neal? Still a member of the Indiana Pacers.

            The Lakers and Pacers have stalled on trade talks involving the six-time All-Star forward-center because the Lakers do not want to give up both Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom in a swap for O'Neal and power forward Troy Murphy, a source said. The Lakers would also include Kwame Brown in the trade.

            O'Neal, 28, is consistently among the league leaders in points, rebounds and blocked shots. He averaged 19.4 points, 9.6 rebounds and 2.6 blocked shots last season, the continuation of a career that has been on a solid track since he was traded from Portland to the Pacers in 2000.

            Murphy, 27, has outside range and rebounds well, but is a subpar defender who would be included in a deal primarily as salary-cap ballast. The four years and $42.3 million he has left on his contract, coupled with the three years and $64.1 million left on O'Neal's contract, would practically guarantee that the Lakers would pay the luxury tax for years to come.

            Numerous sources have said O'Neal wants to play in L.A., but the Lakers simply do not want to part with Odom and Bynum to make it work. Lakers officials declined to comment Thursday.

            Odom, 27, averaged 15.9 points, 9.8 rebounds and 4.8 assists last season, one that started strongly for him before being interrupted by knee and shoulder injuries. He underwent surgery last month to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder, but is expected to return in time for training camp in October.

            Of equal, if not greater, concern to the Lakers is the Pacers' desire for the 19-year-old Bynum.

            He averaged 10.7 points, nine rebounds and 2.3 blocked shots in 15 games in January before slumping badly. Coach Phil Jackson criticized his work ethic, but the Lakers aren't necessarily ready to give up on the potential of the 10th pick in the 2005 draft.

            Brown, 25, also underwent surgery last month, and will be out several months while recovering from a reconstructive operation on his left ankle. He has one year left on his contract at $9.1 million, which makes him appealing to teams hoping to trim payroll after next season.

            Talks between the Pacers and Lakers could be jump-started again as the June 28 draft draws closer.

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            • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

              Needs a link.
              Read my Pacers blog:
              8points9seconds.com

              Follow my twitter:

              @8pts9secs

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              • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

                hasn't this been posted a couple of times already?
                This is the darkest timeline.

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                • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

                  This is the fourth time this article has been posted.

                  Thanks for playing, though!
                  This space for rent.

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                  • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

                    I'll merge these.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

                      Originally posted by Jay View Post
                      I'll merge these.
                      That's what she said.
                      Narf!

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                      • Re: Pacer/Laker trade nears?

                        According to someone i talked to thats familiar with the Lakers and Pacers talks. the deal was stalled only for the moment and it was only a temporary thing from both sides.

                        so we'll see how it goes... DD did you're source tell you the samething?
                        "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe." - Anatole France

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                        • Re: Pacers-Lakers Trade talk stalled....

                          Originally posted by Robobtowncolt View Post
                          That's what she said.
                          Something has to make her happy.

                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • NBA.com News: "O’Neal To Lakers Talks Hit Rough Patch"

                            O’Neal To Lakers Talks Hit Rough Patch
                            In the LOS ANGELES TIMES, Mike Bresnahan writes “where's Jermaine O'Neal? Still a member of the Indiana Pacers. The Lakers and Pacers have stalled on trade talks involving the six-time All-Star forward-center because the Lakers do not want to give up both Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom in a swap for O'Neal and power forward Troy Murphy, a source said. The Lakers would also include Kwame Brown in the trade.”
                            !
                            'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
                            Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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                            • Re: NBA.com News: "O’Neal To Lakers Talks Hit Rough Patch"

                              This is like the 10th time the link has been posted.
                              "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe." - Anatole France

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                              • Re: NBA.com News: "O’Neal To Lakers Talks Hit Rough Patch"

                                Sorry, i hav seen them now, i just couldnt see a topic for it at first so i posted it

                                probably doesnt need its own topic so it can be deleted
                                'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
                                Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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