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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Off season Rumors and Speculation

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  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    I suspect that they are clearing Capspace to make a run at Hibbert. I can see them dealing some of their multiple picks for Josh Smith....then sending Lowry packing to clear some additional Capspace while acquiring additional assets....and then offering MAX contract offer to Hibbert.

    Get the "Is Hibbert worth the MAX?" thread going....cuz...like it or not....we are headed there.
    Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
    Just a hunch, but I think Rockets more likely to end up with Pau Gasol than Dwight Howard. If that's case, Lakers should get plenty back.
    Or it is Pau part 2.
    "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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      Originally posted by Really? View Post
      never mind...

      That's a good trade for the Bucks. They only drop down 2 spots in the draft and get a C they need.

      Houston must really want a package for in order to get Howard, or they want a player certain player at #12.

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        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        That's a good trade for the Bucks. They only drop down 2 spots in the draft and get a C they need.

        Houston must really want a package for in order to get Howard, or they want a player certain player at #12.
        Tyler Zeller (ducking)
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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        • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          Originally posted by tadscout View Post
          Or it is Pau part 2.
          yeah...or that...either way....they are making a play for some major FrontCourt Players.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Different angles-

            Chad Ford @chadfordinsider
            Don't merge the Rockets trade & Pau Gasol trade stories together. Rockets not pursuing Pau Gasol according to a source
            I find that hard to believe after last summer.
            "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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            • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              Originally posted by tadscout View Post
              Or it is Pau part 2.
              agree I think they may try to trade up for Drummond and trade for Gasol Kevin Mchale loves both of them from what I have read.

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                Sam Amico


                • Other news organizations reporting Rockets not pursuing Pau Gasol, but I was just told by source that "it's very possible." But they may go after the Warriors' No. 7 pick first (for 12 and 16).


                Going to be one of the most action packed drafts... I hope Pritchard can join in the action!
                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...lked-moving-up


                  I called this a few days ok OKC will have to trade someone cant pay their whole team.

                  Harden for Beal I like actually think Beal is a perfect fit in OKC . Harden I think is a better player but it makes sense if the owner doesnt want to may him.

                  Doubt this happens but I figured OKC would at least talk about dooing it to save money.

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                  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    06/27/12 4:53 PM EST – Joel Brigham:Contrary to an internet rumor earlier in the day, sources close to the situation are indicating that a Wilson-Chandler-to-Golden-State offer isn’t even on the table.
                    While the Warriors are looking to upgrade at the small forward spot, they’re still hoping to do that in the draft. They absolutely are exploring a number of trades involving that #7 pick, but the Wilson Chandler deal isn’t one of them, at least not right now.
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                    "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                      Bill Ingram:

                      Houston Rockets point guard Kyle Lowry sees the writing on the wall and expects to be traded in the next 24 hours. The only question seems to be where he will be traded, with Sacramento and Toronto looking like the current frontrunners. The Rockets are looking for a lottery pick, either to use themselves, perhaps on Andre Drummond, or to sweeten their offer to Orlando for Dwight Howard


                      Hope we put forward an offer
                      Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                        Atlanta Hawks target Pau Gasol (for Josh Smith) - L.A. Times

                        Originally posted by Mike Bresnahan
                        The Atlanta Hawks have aggressively tried to trade power forward Josh Smith to the Lakers for Pau Gasol, initially expressing interest in Gasol shortly after Oklahoma City eliminated the Lakers in the Western Conference semifinals, The Times has learned.

                        Smith has been unhappy in Atlanta for more than a year, his dissatisfaction starting after the 2010-11 season because he felt he was an unfair target of criticism by coaches and media members.

                        In separate activity leading up to Thursday’s amateur draft, the Lakers are also open to trading Gasol to a team with a high first-round pick because they covet Kentucky freshman Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Atlanta holds the 23rd pick and cannot help in that area.

                        No deals were imminent for the Lakers, who hold only the 60th and final pick in the draft. They have not had a first-round pick since taking Javaris Crittenton in 2007.

                        Last season, Smith averaged career-highs in points (18.8) and rebounds (9.6) for the Hawks. He is only 26, five years younger than Gasol.

                        If the Lakers struck a deal with Atlanta, they would lose the height advantage that made them one of the longest teams in the NBA — Smith is 6 feet 9, three inches shorter than Gasol — but would instantly become more athletic.

                        Smith is an incredibly active defender and has career averages of 1.3 steals and 2.2 blocked shots. Two years ago, he became the youngest player ever with 1,000 career blocked shots.

                        He has one more year on his contract for $13.2 million and becomes an unrestricted free agent in June 2013 unless he signs an extension. The Lakers would also benefit financially from a deal involving the two players: Gasol has two more years and $38.3 million on his contract. It is unclear which player would accompany Smith to the Lakers in such a scenario.

                        The problem with Smith is his percentages. He shot only 45.8% last season, very low for a power forward, and was a dreadful 63% from the free-throw line. He probably takes too many three-point attempts as well, making only 28 of 109 last season (25.7%).

                        Smith isn’t nearly as strong as Gasol in shooting, though he averaged a commendable 3.9 assists last season. Gasol averaged 3.7 a game.

                        Like Smith, Gasol could use a fresh start with a new franchise.

                        He was part of the proposed Chris Paul trade in December that was vetoed by the NBA. He never dragged his feet after the trade was nixed, but his play suffered in accordance with Andrew Bynum’s improvement.

                        Gasol failed to make the All-Star team after three consecutive appearances and stalled in the playoffs, averaging 12.5 points and shooting 43% in the Lakers’ short-lived run.

                        Gasol was similarly small in playoff stats the previous year, averaging 13.1 points and 42% shooting as the Lakers were eliminated by Dallas in the West semifinals.

                        Kidd-Gilchrist averaged 11.9 points and 7.4 rebounds for Kentucky, which won the NCAA championship. Listed at 6-foot-7, Kidd-Gilchrist is projected to be one of the top five picks in the draft.

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                        • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          I hope is here.


                          @AlexKennedyNBA: Kyle Lowry is expecting to be traded in the next 24 hours, according to sources close to the point guard: http://t.co/0uw9M5sJ
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            It looks like Jamal Crawford's hitting the open market.

                            Marc J. Spears (SpearsNBAYahoo) on Twitter

                            Originally posted by Twitter
                            Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
                            Guard Jamal Crawford has officially sent his letter to the Portland Trail Blazers to become a free agent this summer.
                            Exciting stuff.

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                            • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              yeah...or that...either way....they are making a play for some major FrontCourt Players.
                              Hibbert sign and trade? Please?

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                              • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                                It looks like Jamal Crawford's hitting the open market.

                                Marc J. Spears (SpearsNBAYahoo) on Twitter

                                Exciting stuff.
                                Yeah.....Marc Spears....reporting the obvious.

                                I just PRAY that Bird/KP/DW are not interested in making a run at him AGAIN.....Bird didn't think that he was worth more than 2 years at $5 mil per season.....he took the same deal with a Player Option with Portland expecting to bolt for Free Agency and a sweeter deal in this offseason. I don't know what JCraw is hoping to get in the Free Agent Market...but I hope that the FO is considering it. I'd rather throw whatever money towards Brandon Roy....he'd be far more effective.
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