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    Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

    Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

    http://www.batesvilleheraldtribune.c...l?start:int=15

    By MIKE BEAS
    THE HERALD BULLETIN (ANDERSON, Ind.)

    ANDERSON, Ind. —

    As e-mails from the Indiana Pacers went, this one came across as eerily blunt. Seventeen words in all, which sent up a flare that Rick Carlisle’s days as head coach were over.

    It went something like this:

    What: press conference. Who: Larry Bird. Where: Conseco Fieldhouse. When: Wednesday, 2 p.m.

    Ransom notes pack more personality.

    Sure enough, at 2 o’clock sharp, Bird verified that Carlisle’s tenure, a grab bag of chaos featuring some of the NBA’s mixed nuts, would be coming to an end after four seasons that, in truth, must have seemed like 14 to Carlisle.

    Only 47, Carlisle looks older. The man has not aged gracefully these past few years, and only part of it has been self-inflicted.

    Carlisle is the latest domino to tumble at the hand of former Pacers forward Ron Artest, whose brain lapse at The Palace of Auburn Hills in November 2004 continues to jump up and bite the franchise where the sun don’t dare shine.

    Pack the family and the sunscreen, and take a vacation, Rick. A long one. You deserve it.

    Red Auerbach in his prime would have slammed his bald head against the locker room wall more than a few times had he been dealt the hand you were dealt.

    Artest. Stephen Jackson. Jamaal Tinsley. The well-past-his-prime version of Reggie Miller.

    There’s no guarantee respected modern-day coaches like Pat Riley or Phil Jackson would have stayed on course test-driving this jalopy, either.

    The question now is: Where does the franchise go from here? The Pacers and what fans they have left have discovered quicksand and need a branch to wrap their hopes around.

    It’s impossible to read Bird’s mind (not that I would want to), so most of us don’t have a clue as to who the next head coach will be.

    All we know is it won’t be Mel Daniels, Dick Versace, Jack McKinney or Larry Staverman.

    Bird clearly isn’t the master talent/character evaluator everyone thought he would be, which leads me to believe his choice to succeed Carlisle is going to be greeted with one massive shoulder shrug followed by the entire state of Indiana going ... “Who?”


    Hopefully, Bird possesses enough foresight to chip Indiana from the offensive glacier it’s been in the past few seasons and hire a seasoned assistant coach from one of the free-wheeling Western Conference heavyweights — Dallas, Phoenix or San Antonio.

    The Pacers might not return to prominence overnight, but at least they would be enjoyable to watch, something they haven’t been in some time.

    As for player personnel, thanks, Jermaine O’Neal, for seven seasons of service, but it’s time to go. You might be well into your 30s by the time the Pacers’ ship again sails deep into the playoffs, and, frankly, you deserve better.

    Tinsley ... just go. I don’t care where.

    The Indiana Pacers are a suitcase full of question marks, but they’ve been down this potholed road before quickly turning things around.

    In 1987, the franchise won 15 more games than it did the previous season. The 1997 squad posted 39 victories, or 19 fewer than the ’98 Pacers, while the leap in “W’s” from 2003 to 2004 was 13.

    It can be done. It’s been done.

    But if Bird doesn’t hit it over the fence with his choice of a coach, we may wake up tomorrow and realize we’re cheering for our very own version of the Memphis Grizzlies.

    Then we’ll all look back at the Rick Carlisle Era as the good old days.

    Mike Beas writes for The Herald Bulletin in Anderson, Ind.
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

    This guy is an idiot. He wants to ship out any player who has ANY talent and keep the overpaid softies?

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    • #3
      Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

      This article sounds like something that could have been written here on PD.

      He did mention assistant coaches from top teams like Phoenix, SA and Dallas.

      Other then Iavaroni, who are the assistant coaches on those teams that we can look into?
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #4
        Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

        The guy Thunderbird1245, I think, mentioned. Nelsons son.
        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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        • #5
          Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

          PJ Carlisimo. The doesn't choke when it counts...



          He gets choked!
          Be afraid Mr. Carlisimo. Very afraid. The guy can't afford to feed his family.
          http://www.thebrushback.com/lsprewell_full.htm

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          • #6
            Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

            This guy gets paid to write this?


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            • #7
              Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

              I'm from Anderson (don't live there anymore), but Beas is terrible and always has been. No one really bothers with his articles

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              • #8
                Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                This article sounds like something that could have been written here on PD.

                He did mention assistant coaches from top teams like Phoenix, SA and Dallas.

                Other then Iavaroni, who are the assistant coaches on those teams that we can look into?
                Del Harris (aka Phil Donahue) from the Mavs


                maybe? Maybe not?

                Spur's P.J. Carlesimo
                I lik P.J. he is really likeable. SA loved him so much they erected a statue in his honor.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                  Red Auerbach in his prime would have slammed his bald head against the locker room wall more than a few times had he been dealt the hand you were dealt.

                  Artest. Stephen Jackson. Jamaal Tinsley. The well-past-his-prime version of Reggie Miller.
                  Someone clear this up for me..Is this guy saying Reggie was part of a bad group of players this team has had lately? If anything, Reg made it easier on Carlisle. I don't know what we would've done without him after the brawl..I dont know. Maybe I'm just not reading this right

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                    Originally posted by HeartlandFan View Post
                    Someone clear this up for me..Is this guy saying Reggie was part of a bad group of players this team has had lately? If anything, Reg made it easier on Carlisle. I don't know what we would've done without him after the brawl..I dont know. Maybe I'm just not reading this right

                    This guy appears to be saying Reggie was causing problems by having
                    stuck around for too long. I would certainly hope he would know better
                    than to just lump Reggie in with a group of knuckleheads.

                    Either way, it was pretty foolish of him to put that in there.

                    This guy writes like Kravitz after having undergone a frontal lobotomy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                      i read it that he was saying that the only bright spot on the team was reggie on his last legs. which is depressing and soul crushing really - because reggie wasn't the same player anymore and he couldn't always carry this team to greatness. to have to count on reggie at that stage of his career to do EVERYTHING isn't good for a team. thats how i read it: that red would have gotten the right talent to allow reggie to play without the entire franchise on his back.

                      maybe that was just me
                      This is the darkest timeline.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                        Small town columnist, not worth anyone's time... I honestly respect more opinions from this forum over this guy.

                        I wasn't expecting anything suprising when I read it.
                        ...Still "flying casual"
                        @roaminggnome74

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                          The entire premise of the article seems to go overhead.

                          in short he's saying "the green man in the front office" has done a p1ss poor job until now and his moves this summer will define whether the Pacers will be back soon or that we are to live in basketball purgatory for a decade or more.

                          He's saying Rick did a good job, probably as good as or better then "Riley" and likes, and that Jermaine deserves to be traded to a team that can make impact if the wrong choice is made by the man in the fron office.

                          His Reggie mentioning is just saying that Rick did not get the "good" Reggie but a Reggie that 80% of this board wanted to come of the bench during most of Rick's tenure because he wasn't that good anymore.

                          As far as his comment on former Celtic Bird are concerned I can fully subscribe.
                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                            Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            The entire premise of the article seems to go overhead.

                            in short he's saying "the green man in the front office" has done a p1ss poor job until now and his moves this summer will define whether the Pacers will be back soon or that we are to live in basketball purgatory for a decade or more.

                            He's saying Rick did a good job, probably as good as or better then "Riley" and likes, and that Jermaine deserves to be traded to a team that can make impact if the wrong choice is made by the man in the fron office.

                            His Reggie mentioning is just saying that Rick did not get the "good" Reggie but a Reggie that 80% of this board wanted to come of the bench during most of Rick's tenure because he wasn't that good anymore.

                            As far as his comment on former Celtic Bird are concerned I can fully subscribe.
                            Fair enough & I can agree.

                            However where is Walsh's culpabiltiy in all of this?

                            Teflon Don at it again.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bird can't allow Pacers to sink further

                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Fair enough & I can agree.

                              However where is Walsh's culpabiltiy in all of this?

                              Teflon Don at it again.
                              In part I agree, but ...........

                              LB is president of basketball operations, as such direct responsible, DW is CEO as such responsible to the owners for the staff he hires.
                              Hence ultimately it is DW's responsibility, but in this case I am not so sure LB is "his" protege or the guy the Simons' liked to have as his successor and to possibly take over the franchise at one stage, in which case it is at them, but still if any director in a company fails it is up to the CEO to kick him to the curb, and replace him with someone better.
                              So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                              If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                              Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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