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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

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    The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

    The PD NBA Draft:

    1. Blake Griffin -------- Los Angeles Clippers

    Who does Memphis take #2?

    Here is their current roster, draft history & a few options for the pick.

    I will be adding more options as the draft gets past the first couple selections.

    Write in votes will be an option for the length of the draft.

    Here's the current Memphis roster:

    Center
    Marc Gasol
    Darko Milicic
    Chris Mihm
    Hamed Haddadi

    Power Forward
    Darrell Arthur
    Hakim Warrick

    Small Forward
    Rudy Gay
    Quinton Ross
    Darius Miles

    Shooting Guard
    OJ Mayo
    Greg Buckner
    Marko Jaric

    Point Guard
    Mike Conley
    Mike Wiliks

    Memphis Draft History:

    2008: #5 Kevin Love #28 Dont'e Greene
    2007: #4 Mike Conley
    2006: #24 Kyle Lowry


    Ricky Rubio

    http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/ricky...profile-163577

    Team: DKV Joventut
    Birth Year: 1990
    Position: PG
    Height: 6’3”
    Weight: 180lbs

    Accolades: Spanish National Team, Spanish Under-16 National Team, Spanish Under-18 National Team, First Team All-Spanish League (08).

    Scouting Report: Pistol Pete for the YouTube generation.

    Strengths: Incredible passer - has excellent court vision and is a creative passer. Very unselfish - prefers to set up teammates rather than score. Disruptive presence on defense - quick feet and hands - led the Spanish League in steals last season; averaged 3.2 swipes per game as a 16-year-old in the Euroleague. Fantastic ball handler - very elusive, tons of moves. Has blow-by speed with the ball - can get by his defender and into the lane. Has three-point range on his jumper. Extremely experienced - has played professionally since he was 15 - extensive international experience with Spain, including last year’s Olympics. Long wingspan - reportedly 6’9”.

    Weaknesses: Needs to become a more consistent shooter. Injury and surgery done on shooting wrist caused him to miss a lot of time this past season and subsequently kept him from improving his jumper. Needs to add weight and strength. Can be too flashy at times - tries to force passes into tight coverage. Not a big scorer - only averaged in double figures in scoring once in his pro career. Still very young - especially for a point guard.

    Projected 2009 Draft Range: Top three pick.

    Consensus: While we compare Rubio to Pistol Pete above, Jason Kidd is probably a better comparison (passing, defense, ball handling, poor shooting). Whether he ever reaches Kidd’s lofty level is unknown, but he should be a very good NBA player regardless.

    Hasheem Thabeet

    http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/story...t_profile27955

    College: Connecticut
    Class: Junior
    Position: C
    Height: 7’3”
    Weight: 263lbs

    Accolades: Big East Defensive Player of the Year (08), Second Team All-Big East (08), Big East All-Rookie Team (07).

    Scouting Report: An intimidating giant whose game is developing quickly.

    Strengths: Shot blocking – Thabeet changes the game due to his swatting abilities – had a 10-block game in both his freshman and sophomore seasons. Good rebounder. Good body. Huge wingspan – helps keep loose balls alive. Strong finisher. Can run the floor well for his size. Is playing in one of the top college programs in developing NBA talent. Greatly improved player each season in college. Shoots for a very high percentage from the field.

    Weaknesses: Very inexperienced – only started playing basketball a few years ago. Still a little clumsy – drops passes, throws balls away. Offensive game is still very raw and underdeveloped. Never was a big scorer in college

    Projected 2009 Draft Range: Top 10 pick.

    Consensus: Thabeet’s size and skill level makes his potential off the charts. With his game seeming to improve with each passing day, he looks to have a bright future in the NBA, at both ends of the floor.

    Jordan Hill

    http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/jorda...profile-165013

    College: Arizona
    Class: Junior
    Position: PF
    Height: 6’10”
    Weight: 235lbs

    Accolades: Honorable Mention All-Pac-10 (08), Pac-10 All-Defensive Team (08).

    Scouting Report: An athletic, ever-improving power forward.

    Strengths: Lots of potential. Game has improved tremendously each year in college. Athletic for a big man. Long wingspan. Mobile. Good at facing the hoop and taking his man off the dribble. Decent face up jumper. Nice jump hooks. Explosive leaper - attacks the rim. Great rebounder - especially on the offensive end. Uses his length and mobility to block and alter shots.

    Weaknesses: Will be turning 22-years-old a month after the draft. Still inexperienced - didn’t play organized ball until late in high school. Still a raw player. Needs to bulk up and add strength. Needs to develop more of a power post up game. Has to cut down on his turnovers. Tends to get into foul trouble. Mediocre free throw shooter.

    Projected 2009 Draft Range: Top five to top ten pick.

    Consensus: Jordan Hill, not considered a big time prospect coming out of high school, is now on the verge of being a NBA lottery pick. If he continues to improve like he has in college, the sky is the limit for him.
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    Ricky Rubio
    61.90%
    26
    Hasheem Thabeet
    35.71%
    15
    Jordan Hill
    2.38%
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    Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

    Rubio - platoon him and Conley.

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      I think they'll end up trading Rubio if he's the pick, b/c he doesn't want to be in Memphis, and he has leverage with the buyout situation

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        Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        I think they'll end up trading Rubio if he's the pick, b/c he doesn't want to be in Memphis, and he has leverage with the buyout situation
        Agree with the trade idea. Not sure that the buyout really presents leverage... it increases next year and would kill his value if he pulls a Vasquez.

        I still see him being traded to Sacramento for the #4.

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        • #5
          Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

          I think teams will play their bluff in trades. I think they would then be forced to pick Thabeet, although Rubio is truly the second best player.

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            Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

            You better get Rubio into the right system because if he is running half court basketball he is going to struggle. international players seem to always do so much better in up tempo style. I actually like Jordan Hill more than I do Thabeet and Rubio, but I understand that Memphis needs a PG. maybe Indiana has an opportunity to package Tinsley into a package with Foster their first round pick for the #2 if memphis really does not want it. you guys are more intelligent basketball draft minds then I am so i will let me tell you how silly my idea is.
            JOB is a silly man

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              Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

              Rubio, even if he doesn't want to play for you, screw it. You can always cut ties almost immediately with another team for their pick and a good player. You don't not draft him because that minimizes the amount of the return you can get for the pick in the longer run.

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                Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                You better get Rubio into the right system because if he is running half court basketball he is going to struggle. international players seem to always do so much better in up tempo style. I actually like Jordan Hill more than I do Thabeet and Rubio, but I understand that Memphis needs a PG. maybe Indiana has an opportunity to package Tinsley into a package with Foster their first round pick for the #2 if memphis really does not want it. you guys are more intelligent basketball draft minds then I am so i will let me tell you how silly my idea is.
                I wouldn't presume that I am any more intelligent than you, but for what its worth, Rubio would never want to come play in Indiana.

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                  Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                  I voted for Thabeet, but I think Memphis will get a nice offer for a trade; Rubio's stock seems to place him at a clear #2.

                  That said, I think Conley is progressing nicely and The Griz desperately need a defensive upgrade at PF to go alongside of Marc Gasol. Chad Ford reports that the owner likes Thabeet ...

                  http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ftWatch-090521

                  ... but a trade with Sacramento (at #4) would ensure that they get either Thabeet or Jordan Hill.


                  "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                  - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                    Ricky Rubio will have to work for a starting spot. Mike Conley did beat out Kyle Lowry & Crittendon.

                    Thabeet is an intriguing choice. Working with Gasol in practice will make both men a lot better. Thabeet is also an instant upgrade in interior defense for whatever team selects him.

                    Hill??? He is athletic: will be interesting to see what the team does with Warrick.

                    I feel that Memphis takes Thabeet:

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                    • #11
                      Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                      Warrick is a RFA right? They probably let him walk next year.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                        Rubio will be the 2nd pick. However, Memphis will trade it away before then.
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                        • #13
                          Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                          Thabeet fills in a need for them

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                            Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                            Originally posted by flox View Post
                            Thabeet fills in a need for them
                            I think that you are right. I have knocked Thabeet more so than the next guy. But his defense is NBA ready. Rebounding? Maybe not, but Marc Gasol is good. The issue and concern that I have is if Gasol has enough lateral quickness to guard PFs in this league? I would say that Thabeet is a better fit with the Thunder (but Harden would be the best fit). Thabeet is not a Horford selection at 3. I don't think Thabeet will be a Calvin Booth, but I don't think he will be a Dieke either.

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                              Re: The PD NBA Draft #2 Memphis Grizzlies

                              Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                              Rubio will be the 2nd pick. However, Memphis will trade it away before then.
                              x2.

                              Second line.
                              “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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