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  • #46
    Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

    Unfortunate. With the new positions for Bigs, there is no way West makes it now that KG is a starter. They will give both Noah, Chandler, and Bosh the nod over David West.
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    • #47
      Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

      I keep hoping that one of these years the fans will no longer be the ones in charge of who the first ten all-stars are.

      Maybe a good tweak would be having the coaches select all of the players for the rosters but the fans get to vote who starts from that set of players.

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      • #48
        Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

        I think that is an awesome idea.

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        • #49
          Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

          Originally posted by mattie View Post
          West I have Duncan, Parker, Westbrook, Lee, Harden, Aldridge, and Curry.

          East I have Kyrie, Horford, Bosh, Paul George, Josh Smith, Holiday and Chandler.
          I don't think Horford is going to beat out Paul Pierce. How could the coaches leave off Boston's best player?



          BTW, more on KG - GEORGE HILL scores as many PPG and shoots a better 3 (obviously) and makes more FTs per game than KG.

          KG REB+AST = 7.0 + 2.1 = 9.1
          Hill REB+AST = 4.4 + 4.9 = 9.3

          KG BLK + STL = 0.8 + 1.1 = 1.9
          Hill BLK + STL = 0.3 + 0.8 = 1.1

          KG Foul + TO = 2.5 + 2.3 = 4.8
          Hill Foul + TO = 1.8 + 1.7 = 3.5

          So Hill scores the same, has a slightly better R+A impact on the game, has a slightly worse B+S defensive impact on the game, and has fewer negative plays per game, but KG is a starter and Hill is maybe the 3rd best guy on the Pacers, or 4th if you consider the elite level of Hibbert's defense.

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          • #50
            Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

            If Roy Hibbert was an all star with 12.8 and 8.8 I don't think is crazy to see KG get the all star with 14.6 and 7, just saying and I don't agree with him starting.(KG)
            Last edited by vnzla81; 01-18-2013, 02:17 AM.
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            • #51
              Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

              I share the same sentiment about how All-star starters are selected, but All-star festivities are usually dedicated for fans so we really can't argue about who the majority want to see. The main problem is that the promotion of players is unequal. I mean despite the struggles of the Lakers and Celtics, Kobe, KG and the rest of the gang are more exposed to the media (highlights, articles, promotional videos, etc.).

              The best way for this is to limit and filter the selection of players then from the crop the fans will choose who they want to see, as MAStamper suggested. Or have the fans' votes have 1/3 weight and the other weights will come from coaches and/or players themselves.

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              • #52
                Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                If Roy Hibbert was an all star with 12.8 and 8.8 I don't is crazy to see KG get the all star with 14.6 and 7, just saying and I don't agree with him starting.(KG)
                The hate on Garnett is particularly hypocritical considering this board is full of people who rave about Hibbert's defense and complain whenever media outlets overlook him because his "numbers" are low. Garnett has been even more impactful for the Celtics D than has any player on the Pacers. He's anchoring a top 10 (and EASILY atop 5 defense when he's on the court) defense, and he is a very efficient offensive player still.

                You can't cite lower numbers for defensive players as reason against them but then flip the logic for Pacer defensive studs.
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                • #53
                  Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                  Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                  The hate on Garnett is particularly hypocritical considering this board is full of people who rave about Hibbert's defense and complain whenever media outlets overlook him because his "numbers" are low. Garnett has been even more impactful for the Celtics D than has any player on the Pacers. He's anchoring a top 10 (and EASILY atop 5 defense when he's on the court) defense, and he is a very efficient offensive player still.

                  You can't cite lower numbers for defensive players as reason against them but then flip the logic for Pacer defensive studs.
                  Exactly, if you were happy with Roy as a all star you shouldn't be complaining that somebody with similar numbers is making the all star team yes KG is a dick but who cares? the all star is not for nice guys only.
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                  • #54
                    Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                    Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                    The hate on Garnett is particularly hypocritical considering this board is full of people who rave about Hibbert's defense and complain whenever media outlets overlook him because his "numbers" are low. Garnett has been even more impactful for the Celtics D than has any player on the Pacers. He's anchoring a top 10 (and EASILY atop 5 defense when he's on the court) defense, and he is a very efficient offensive player still.

                    You can't cite lower numbers for defensive players as reason against them but then flip the logic for Pacer defensive studs.
                    The main reason people here are not happy is because the Celtics, currently 7th in the league, has 2 all-stars, and both are starters. It basically kills the chances of other frontcourt players who play better than KG this season. It's not because KG does not deserve to be an all-star, but because there are players ahead of him right now that are more desrving.

                    On Hibbert's case, stats were very debatable, and even a lot did not agree that Hibbert deserves to be an All-star last year. But sporting one of the league's best record plus being a center certainly helps Hibbert's case. And Hibbert was a reserve btw.
                    Last edited by 15th parallel; 01-18-2013, 01:41 AM.

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                    • #55
                      Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                      Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                      The main reason people here are not happy is because the Celtics, currently 7th in the league, has 2 all-stars, and both are starters. It basically kills the chances of other frontcourt players who play better than KG this season. It's not because KG does not deserve to be an all-star, but because there are players ahead of him right now that are more desrving.

                      On Hibbert's case, stats were very debatable, and even a lot did not agree that Hibbert deserves to be an All-star last year. But sporting one of the league's best record plus being a center certainly helps Hibbert's case. And Hibbert was a reserve btw.
                      I was responding to the multitude of posts saying he didn't deserve to be an all-star or that there are lots of other players who deserve to be in ahead of Garnett. If it were cut and dry, the best players make it in the correct order, I think Garnett deserves to be in even though he doesn't start. But the Celtics are a good team and are in Boston, and good players from Boston will always beat out good players from the plethora of small markets in the East.

                      It's impossible to compare all-star votes or nods as a true indication of who the best players were anyway. Obviously the starters are a joke, but even the reserves are chosen as a mixture of merit of play, who happens to belong to a winning team, who has been on the cusp for several years but hasn't made it yet, etc. There are so many reasons guys get voted in. And if Garnett didn't get voted in, Bosh was gonna get voted in and Garnett would be on the bench. I doubt it changes much.

                      To clarify, when I was talking about Hibbert I was talking in general, not just about all star positioning. As an example whole Brook Lopez vs. Roy Hibbert argument on the Hibbert side was predicated on the fact that though Brook had the better numbers Roy was the better player. And last year, and even before it was a very good argument. That's getting tougher to believe this season, but it's still early in their contracts.
                      Last edited by aamcguy; 01-18-2013, 01:58 AM.
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                      • #56
                        Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                        Hibbert doesn't deserve mention of being an all-star. But to say that no player on the Pacers is playing the D that KG is? Right now Paul and Hibbert are both ahead of what KG is doing on defense, and I think both have a better shot at the all-defensive team than KG does. And they are anchoring not just the top defense in the NBA, but one that's gotten buzz lately for statistically drifting into all-time great defensive teams discussions.

                        KG has been a great defender and is still decent, but he is not as disruptive as either Roy or Paul THIS season. Paul has more steals p/36 and isn't far off on blocks/36, and Hibbert is just crushing KG in blocks/36 (1.00 vs 3.50). And both play on a team destroying the NBA in DEF FG% so far, to the point that 2nd place has fallen historically behind them (ie, a gap between 1st and 2nd that's rare).

                        So the Hibbert last year because DEF offset his meh numbers does NOT match the KG situation this year. I don't think people realize how much better Indiana's defense has been compared to the KG led Boston defense. Boston is 15th in FG% allowed (.446) vs Indy at #1 (.413). With a 33 point difference, Boston is closer to last (CLE, .472) than Indy. The same is true for eFG% allowed.

                        The Pacers are 3rd in blocks, Boston is 27th. So KG is not anchoring some defense of terror and is not putting up defensive numbers that make you look right past offensive numbers that are sub-AS caliber.




                        KG wasn't going to make it with the coaches, I have no doubts about that. Chandler and Noah both are bigger impact players right now and it's very close with West. All 3 play for teams that have been better than Boston so far, and 2 of them are playing without their #1 star. Also I'm pretty freaking sure NYK and CHI are bigger markets than Boston, and there's a good case for Miami as well thanks to their national exposure right now. So no West, perhaps, but Bosh, Chandler and Noah all go ahead of KG. Noah as the only CHI rep, Chandler and Melo as the NYK reps. Boston doesn't get 3 AS when they are flirting with 500 and do things like lose to NOH in Boston by 12.

                        I didn't even mention Josh Smith, but obviously as the best player from yet another team better than Boston, he's going too.
                        Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-18-2013, 02:22 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                          Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                          Fan voting is never going to put in all the most deserving players, that happens every year. You have to hope for some degree of justice with the reserves.
                          At least Jeremy Lin is not a starter!
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                          • #58
                            Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                            Horford, Noah, Josh Smith, Chandler, Bosh those are all players that are simply better than KG right now. KG has had a phenomenal career. No hate for what he's done. However, he's just no longer that player. Or At least he isn't this year.

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                            • #59
                              Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              I don't see any real outstanding centers in the East this year.
                              Joakim Noah is averaging 12.4 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 4.1 APG, 2 BPG and 1.1 SPG.

                              He should and he will be an All-Star since he has better stats and has led the Bulls to a much better record than KG has.

                              Anyway, the fans once more went for reputation over production and result. I'm not surprised at all. The coaches will select the true All-Stars.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                              • #60
                                Re: NBA all stars starters announced today

                                Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                                No Lin? Did the NBA crack down on the Chinese vote or something?
                                yeah i was thinking the same thing.

                                Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                                I keep hoping that one of these years the fans will no longer be the ones in charge of who the first ten all-stars are.

                                Maybe a good tweak would be having the coaches select all of the players for the rosters but the fans get to vote who starts from that set of players.
                                great idea.

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