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What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

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  • What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

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    Steve Kyler:
    If you look at both guys production last year - Hibbert averaged 25 minute per game and Rush over 30 minutes per game.

    Hibbert has the most room to improve, mainly because he can play more minutes. He has to stay out of foul trouble against other elite bigs... I think Roy can be a 15 point, 8 rebound guy next year... if they get him some help, he could be closer to 16-18 points... he's not much of a rebounder, so I think his ceiling on the boards is gonna be around 8 to 9 per game.

    Roy Hibbert #55 C
    2009-10 STATS
    PPG RPG BPG
    11.7 5.7 1.6
    Brandon is about where he's gonna be. There is a chance his numbers get a little better, 12 to 14 points per game.

    Brandon Rush #25 SG
    2009-10 STATS
    PPG APG 3P%
    9.4 1.4 .411
    Here is something else to consider... to increase your average by one point per game, you have to add 82 points of offense to your total for the season... two points is 164 points of total offense across the season... so while it seems easy to project guys to increase dramatically, it rarely happens unless the player makes substantial strides and the team goes to them more on offense.

    Neither of these guys seem poised to be first option players in Indiana, not under Jim O'Brien.

    No just Troy Murphy
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    Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

    What's ironic is that I actually agreed. Brandon may slightly increase his PPG if he's tired of always being in trade talks, but his SPG will more than likely go up. Roy will get better stats, because his playing time will increase. The only thing that I see will change is their demeanor.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

      I would agree w/ the Hibbert comments, but IMO the Rush comments are a pestamistic view on Brandon. I say this because I really believe the last comment in the quote applies to Brandon even more then Roy.
      Neither of these guys seem poised to be first option players in Indiana, not under Jim O'Brien.
      I see Brandons limitations being more mental then in ability. I see Brandon thriving with a more conventional offense & w/ a more consistent PG then we have played him with. The closest he ever had was last 30 games of the year before last, when we went w/ J.Jack almost exclusively. Brandon was aggressive, played well off of Danny (something he did not do well l/y IMO), & his average was +/- 20 pts/gm. I think those kind of results are within Brandon over his career if he "finds himself" again.
      If we could land a D.Collison or a T.Parker, I think Brandon shines in his 3rd yr.
      "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
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        Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

        Hibbert - 15/8.

        Rush - wearing a different jersey.

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          Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

          Originally posted by bphil View Post
          Hibbert - 15/8.

          Rush - wearing a different jersey.
          It seems that way doesnt it?

          I dont think they are too happy with Rush,

          Or maybe he is the only player (outside of Granger) that teams are interested in.
          Sittin on top of the world!

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            Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

            I think both will be more consistently good next year. That bodes well, I think, because when they were good, they were really good.

            BRush moving would be a detriment to his production, I'd guess he'll be uncomfortable with a new team and his play will show it.

            If he stays here, I think we'll see a much more consistently productive player, imo.

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            • #7
              Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

              Look at the teams that want to acquire Rush. Charlotte and San Antonio. Two defensive minded teams that are inquiring. There is a reason those coaches and GMs have interest.

              Hibbert. Hibbert's improvement will be a direct result of how well he develops on the defensive end. Hibbert needs to do a better job with man positioning in the post. He gets beat by not having great position early in the possession. If he can establish himself against other centers with a more solid foundation for man post defense, it will allow him to push/prevent the other center from getting closer position. With Hibbert's length, getting the initial position further from the basket is pivotal. It allows him to not bite on fakes as much because he won't have to. It will limit the other center's moves and lets his long arms be a bigger obstacle to score over. With Hibbert, offensively, he just needs to be a bigger focus for us. We need to initiate our offense through him on most possessions. In games where there seemed to be more priority on posting Hibbert, our team was so much better. There was better movement. There was more passing. There were better shots being taken. Hibbert was getting other bigs in foul trouble. I hate watching Hibbert run back on an ill-advised three taken early in the shot clock and tiring our big man out running the floor and putting him in a terrible position to get back defensively. It was frustrating as hell. When in the history of basketball, has a team not made the big man who has a good offensive arsenal a main focus of your offense? OK then. Hibbert's "statistical improvement" will come with more minutes, that is obvious.

              Rush. With Brandon, I think much of his "statistical improvement" will be a direct result of whether or not Troy Murphy is here. Troy takes away half of Brandon's touches on the perimeter. Troy is not a PF. He doesn't play like one and he doesn't defend like one either. If Troy is gone, then Brandon's touches will go up tremendously and I could easily see him at 14 ppg next year. Two more baskets with twice as many looks on offense. I think that is realistic. If Troy is here, Brandon remains the fifth option offensively and he gets pushed to the sideline three as his main offensive look. He needs to be the third option on the perimeter and should actually get way more touches just to allow him to feed the post. I still doubt our desire to run the offense through Hibbert in the post, which is utterly ridiculous. If our roster doesn't change from what it is now, Brandon will probably average right around 11ppg and give us stellar defense. To expect anything more is outrageous with JOB and Troy here. Hell if Troy and JOB are here, I doubt our ability to win 40 games. Brandon doesn't give you a lot in the way of statistics. Those who look for statistics out of him will always be disappointed. If we trade him away, we are selling low on a very talented player. We don't use Hibbert or Rush correctly IMO and the biggest improvement would be a change in our roster that would be conducive to a post-oriented offense. We would get more out of the players on this team in doing so. More "statistical improvement". More versatility offensively. More importantly, we would get MORE WINS.
              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                (Rush) If we trade him away, we are selling low on a very talented player. We don't use Hibbert or Rush correctly IMO and the biggest improvement would be a change in our roster that would be conducive to a post-oriented offense. We would get more out of the players on this team in doing so. More "statistical improvement". More versatility offensively. More importantly, we would get MORE WINS.
                THIS!
                "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
                (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                  Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                  Neither of these guys seem poised to be first option players in Indiana, not under Jim O'Brien.


                  Neither of these guys would be first option players for any team in the NBA. That doesn't mean they're not starter quality guys.
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                    Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                    Originally posted by mellifluous View Post

                    Neither of these guys would be first option players for any team in the NBA. That doesn't mean they're not starter quality guys.
                    I completely agree with you here. These guys ARE quality starters. Much like Rik Smits, Dale Davis, and Derrick McKey were quality starters. They are definitely good enough to win with. They could obviously produce more in the way of statistics, but to use them poorly, you are making them mediocre players. They aren't "first option" players, even though that is a pretty vague term when actually applying it to team basketball. We are building toward a solid team and having these kind of players is essential to competing. You can't ask them to be Kobe or Dwade. Remember that Kobe and Dwade can't win without these quality type of starters though.
                    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                      Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                      Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                      Look at the teams that want to acquire Rush. Charlotte and San Antonio. Two defensive minded teams that are inquiring. There is a reason those coaches and GMs have interest.

                      Hibbert. Hibbert's improvement will be a direct result of how well he develops on the defensive end. Hibbert needs to do a better job with man positioning in the post. He gets beat by not having great position early in the possession. If he can establish himself against other centers with a more solid foundation for man post defense, it will allow him to push/prevent the other center from getting closer position. With Hibbert's length, getting the initial position further from the basket is pivotal. It allows him to not bite on fakes as much because he won't have to. It will limit the other center's moves and lets his long arms be a bigger obstacle to score over. With Hibbert, offensively, he just needs to be a bigger focus for us. We need to initiate our offense through him on most possessions. In games where there seemed to be more priority on posting Hibbert, our team was so much better. There was better movement. There was more passing. There were better shots being taken. Hibbert was getting other bigs in foul trouble. I hate watching Hibbert run back on an ill-advised three taken early in the shot clock and tiring our big man out running the floor and putting him in a terrible position to get back defensively. It was frustrating as hell. When in the history of basketball, has a team not made the big man who has a good offensive arsenal a main focus of your offense? OK then. Hibbert's "statistical improvement" will come with more minutes, that is obvious.

                      Rush. With Brandon, I think much of his "statistical improvement" will be a direct result of whether or not Troy Murphy is here. Troy takes away half of Brandon's touches on the perimeter. Troy is not a PF. He doesn't play like one and he doesn't defend like one either. If Troy is gone, then Brandon's touches will go up tremendously and I could easily see him at 14 ppg next year. Two more baskets with twice as many looks on offense. I think that is realistic. If Troy is here, Brandon remains the fifth option offensively and he gets pushed to the sideline three as his main offensive look. He needs to be the third option on the perimeter and should actually get way more touches just to allow him to feed the post. I still doubt our desire to run the offense through Hibbert in the post, which is utterly ridiculous. If our roster doesn't change from what it is now, Brandon will probably average right around 11ppg and give us stellar defense. To expect anything more is outrageous with JOB and Troy here. Hell if Troy and JOB are here, I doubt our ability to win 40 games. Brandon doesn't give you a lot in the way of statistics. Those who look for statistics out of him will always be disappointed. If we trade him away, we are selling low on a very talented player. We don't use Hibbert or Rush correctly IMO and the biggest improvement would be a change in our roster that would be conducive to a post-oriented offense. We would get more out of the players on this team in doing so. More "statistical improvement". More versatility offensively. More importantly, we would get MORE WINS.
                      I see Granger, Hibbert, and Rush as the three key guys who should be the foundation of this team, with Price as a possibility as a fourth. Having the right coach would do these guys a world of good. I think Granger has regressed into more of a scorer than the versatile, multifaceted star he could be. JOB tries to turn everyone into a jumpshooter, including his bizarre ideas about McRoberts (be more like Murphy?!?), who he long refused to give any playing time. McRoberts has some unique talents; why can't he see that and utilize them? JOB insists on trying to force to fit players into roles he likes instead of roles that truly maximize their talents and help cover for their flaws. If he had Shaq in his prime, I bet Shaq would be shooting 3's.

                      I kept waiting to finally comprehend the method in JOB's madness that I hadn't quite figured out yet, but there's none to be found. He's stubborn and refuses to try to work with the players he has. Watching this team under JOB has been worse than the post-brawl team for me, and that's no exaggeration. At least Fred Jones and pals looked like they were trying to use a plan that could win games even if they lacked the personnel to do much. Carlisle may have been overbearing in his micromanaging style, but he had his players defending and doing the things they're supposed to do. I think we could see some major improvements with Rush in particular with a new coach. I wish we had a coach and management who valued Rush for what he is instead of trying to mold him into what he isn't. It's clear that other teams do value what Rush could do for them.
                      Last edited by IndyPacer; 06-04-2010, 12:41 PM.

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                        Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                        Originally posted by IndyPacer View Post
                        I see Granger, Hibbert, and Rush as the three key guys who should be the foundation of this team, with Price as a possibility as a fourth. Having the right coach would do these guys a world of good. I think Granger has regressed into more of a scorer than the versatile, multifaceted star he could be. JOB tries to turn everyone into a jumpshooter, including his bizarre ideas about McRoberts (be more like Murphy?!?), who he long refused to give any playing time. McRoberts has some unique talents; why can't he see that and utilize them? JOB insists on trying to force to fit players into roles he likes instead of roles that truly maximize their talents and help cover for their flaws. If he had Shaq in his prime, I bet Shaq would be shooting 3's.

                        I kept waiting to finally comprehend the method in JOB's madness that I hadn't quite figured out yet, but there's none to be found. He's stubborn and refuses to try to work with the players he has. Watching this team under JOB has been worse than the post-brawl team for me, and that's no exaggeration. At least Fred Jones and pals looked like they were trying to use a plan that could win games even if they lacked the personnel to do much. Carlisle may have been overbearing in his micromanaging style, but he had his players defending and doing the things they're supposed to do. I think we could see some major improvements with Rush in particular with a new coach. I wish we had a coach and management who valued Rush for what he is instead of trying to mold him into what he isn't. It's clear that other teams do value what Rush could do for them.
                        Good point.


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                          I am not going into stats but I'd like to see Hibby do a few things in the offseason to get ready for the season. I'd like him to continue to work on conditioning and strength, limiting foul trouble and improving his footwork.

                          For Brandon I'd like to see him work on his ball handling skills, defensive rotations and driving to the basket.

                          As far as Price is concerned I am gonna go easy on his development because of the knee injury. I'd say improving conditioning once he can start again and continue to work on his shooting.

                          You have to remember that there three kids are still fairly new to the NBA and it takes time to develop new skills. I have to give Hibby the best allocation of time to develop because it always takes bigs longer to develop their game. If the guys can improve even a little bit in those areas I will be satisfied.

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                            Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                            I'd like to see Hibbert's defense improve. I think that's more important than anything. He needs to learn how to move his feet, and have some discipline there.

                            He also needs to improve rebounding. But I think that can wait, I think his defense is most important, and that's what I expect him to work on.

                            Rush. Personally, I hope Rush developes his ball handling, and I want a midrange shot. Going to the basket and finishing will be easier, hitting threes will be easier. As talanted as he is, he's raw offensively. I'd like to see him develope a midrange game as a start.

                            I'll just expand it to the rest of our young guys..

                            Price, the knee injury has me concerned for a specific reason. It took him a good eight months to mentally be able to drive to the basket again, and be himself "mentally" which is a lot of AJ's game. I hope he gets over that quickly, and perhaps he will because the knee injury shouldn't affect his explosiveness. However, the only improvement he'll be able to make is shooting..as that's about the only thing he'll be able to work on. (Which is ironic..AJ works on 3pt shot, Rush works on midrange game, and Hibbert works on defense..take a guess at which one Obie will like the most )

                            Also, when a Uconn woman's player was hurt (Sue Bird) her freshman season, (tore her ACL) she had to sit and watch her team play. She ended up learning where her teammates like to shoot from, their "hot spots," their tendencies ect..Seeing as AJ probably can't move too much, he might want to watch lots and lots of game tape..maybe he could pick up something there..(As opposed to just pretending Roy Hibbert was Thabeet and giving Roy passes where Thabeet likes the ball..and pretending Hans is Jeff Adrien and passing the ball to him where Adrien likes it..seemed pretty obvious to me that's what he was doing at first..)

                            Hans..I'd like him to work on his shooting percentage. Really. That's the obvious one..although seeing him on the court would be a step in the right direction.

                            The one thing I'd like him to work on though, is a free throw line jumper. I think that would help him a lot if he could hit that consistently. It would be something he could work on this summer too.

                            He's gonna also need to calm down, slightly. I'd imagine some of that was rookie nerves, but he's going to need to calm down..or his shooting percentage won't improve.

                            And Josh..well, if Josh would like to get better, I'd suggest he finds a go to post move, where he can score pretty easily..I think it's good for post players to have that.

                            If he'd like to play this year or as long as Obie is the coach. I suggest he works on his three point shooting.

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                              Re: What would be a realistic expectation for Roy Hibbert and Brandon Rush next season?

                              Roy Hibbert:
                              I would like to see Roy , work on the facet of his game , on being able to read, and tell when the correct time to use his finess moves, and when to use his power moves , and balance them out better, learning which situation to use it's called for move-set ..
                              I have seen so many plays , where if Roy just elevated and dunked the ball , it would have been an easy 2 points or a possible and-1 . But instead he would spin and try and finger roll it in , or try and do a baby hook . Don't get me wrong I love finess in a big-man . But I think the reason why he sometimes has lapses where easy shots dont go in is due to him reading the situation wrong. (which is a rookie/young player trait imo.)
                              I think he has improved greatly on cutting down his fouls , and throwing his arms straight up instead of jumping up and amassing fouls .. I think he will definitely keep up the good work on his foul reduction , and in turn he will be on the floor more ..
                              That goes along with conditioning as well .. I am sure he will work on that this summer.

                              Realistically, I forsee Hibbert raising his scoring average up to 14 or 14.5 ppg .
                              7.9 to 8.6 Rebounds per game .
                              I expect his FT shooting to remain around the same , maybe go up to 78% or 79%
                              (Note his 09/10 season FT% was a very good(for a center) .754 )

                              I think his minutes per game will go up to around 30 to 32

                              I see his assists average to be going up slightly from 2 per game to anywhere between 2.8 to 3.7 per game .

                              I think his blocks per game will go up from 1.6 to between 2 and 2.3 per game .
                              (Roy is currently 9th amongst all centers in blocked shots)


                              There are other things I would like Roy to work on , but the above mentioned is enough from me right now , as others have pretty much covered it .. heh ..



                              Will come back to my expectations for Brandon Rush in my next post ..








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