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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • Re: Colts-Jags

    OlBlu's the definition of a bandwagoner. Good riddance.

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      I've been saying for quite a while now that you were no longer a fan, Blu. I didn't mean that as disrespectful --- I just meant it as it's the truth. We were subjected to a lot of venom from a person who was no longer a fan. I hope you come around some day on the Colts and let go of that unnecessary anger towards Irsay. I do think you have attachment issues, which I can't say is good or bad, everyone is different. You're clearly someone who attaches to someone and views their departure from the scene as disrespect instead of just looking at it as "parties moving on", which is just a part of life.
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      • Re: Colts-Jags

        I watched part of the game last night, and I certainly got a "Harbaugh/ Marchibroda" vibe from the portion I watched. (I was at a bar and the game was on. I wouldn't have tuned in on purpose to watch those two teams or NFL Net's TNF crew.)

        Remember the "Any given Sunday" mantra. The talent gap in the NFL, when 25-28 players per team take the field each week (22 starters plus an nickle back, extra RB, extra TE/WR, extra DL), is not huge, so things like turnovers, field position, limiting penalties, and making plays on third down and the redzone can make a bigger difference than the skill of any one position. Your playmakers are making plays. And that's what I mean by the Harbaugh/ Marchibroda vibe. These guys are getting the job done.

        I sure as hell didn't expect 6 wins. I did think the new coaching staff would help (it is mostly an AFC-North staff) but thought it would take a year or two to translate into wins as the roster still needs some transformation. Definitely ahead of schedule, a nice tribute to Chuck who deserves better than the fate he's been given this year.

        This certainly didn't look anything like either of the last two teams - a bad team getting bailed out by a great QB and a bad team playing down to its lack of talent without him. This is now an improving team that can make plays as a team and seems to have come together as a team... certainly much better than "losing teams" come together. Harbaugh's previous influence on Luck is quite visible. (So make sure you keep Luck away from Jeff George -- the anti-Harbaugh!!) And yes, the opponent was the Jags and that shouldn't be ignored. They're awful in more ways that just not having much talent. They're clearly not playing together, making plays, not doing anything to make up for their talent gaps. But I don't see Jacksonville's talent level of being that much lower than Indy's. The Colts have just found some ways to make plays and again I think that's more important that overall skill.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • Re: Colts-Jags

          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          I am sure that is true. I haven't watched an IU game since the day Bobby was fired by that a**hole, Miles Brand...

          I will be watching Denver for as long as Peyton is there. I am going to be watching the Redskins because I am intrigued by RGIII and what he might become. I feel nothing for the Colts, absolutely nothing. I would not, at this point, walk across the street to watch a game at the Luke if I was getting free tickets.... I am happy for all of you that you have been able to move on and support them. I just can't do that.... I'll keep up with the Pacers though...... Take care, Joe...

          So your going to watch a mediocre team in Washington with a underachieving QB in RG3 and not watch a playoff team in the Colts and a potential MVP in Luck? You have your priorities messed up
          Smothered Chicken!

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          • Re: Colts-Jags

            Jacksonville is not executing at a high level, haven't all year. But whenever we play these guys, it's always a messy game. Our execution against Jax was not near as clean and dynamic as it was against Miami. I can't explain that, I don't think Jax has a better defense than Miami.

            I'm going to look at things like having only 3 days of prep and little rest as possible reasons as to why we weren't as crisp. It *was* nice to finally generate some defensive turnovers. To consider our current winning streak, and the fact that during that stretch, we hadn't generated a turnover until this game is amazing.

            Bottom line though was Indy made more plays than Jax on both sides of the ball. We were balanced throwing and running the ball. We played good D. We played well on ST. Was a fairly complete, balanced effort. Just gotta reduce the miscues that kill drives.

            Our offense also really needs to work on red-zone execution and finishing drives. Luck had two turnovers in the red zone.
            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 11-09-2012, 12:26 PM.
            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              I am sure that is true. I haven't watched an IU game since the day Bobby was fired by that a**hole, Miles Brand...

              I will be watching Denver for as long as Peyton is there. I am going to be watching the Redskins because I am intrigued by RGIII and what he might become. I feel nothing for the Colts, absolutely nothing. I would not, at this point, walk across the street to watch a game at the Luke if I was getting free tickets.... I am happy for all of you that you have been able to move on and support them. I just can't do that.... I'll keep up with the Pacers though...... Take care, Joe...
              Why are you following the Colts then?
              Why are posting in Colts game threads?
              Why havent you made a Redskins or Denver thread?
              Why do you have the Colts logo under your name???????


              This is embarrassing. FYI, probably getting banned for this. Cause i've already received a threatening email from a mod. So if so... Go Colts, Go Pacers !

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                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                OlBlu's the definition of a bandwagoner. Good riddance.
                I stayed with this team all of last year when they were 2-14. I stayed through the Jeff George years, the Harbaugh years, the Bert Jones years and all of the QBs inbetween. I never wavered one time in supporting the Colts. So, I hardly think I am a bandwagoner. The team is winning and I am getting off. Does a bandwagoner do that? If they do then I must be one....

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                  Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
                  Why are you following the Colts then?
                  Why are posting in Colts game threads?
                  Why havent you made a Redskins or Denver thread?
                  Why do you have the Colts logo under your name???????


                  This is embarrassing. FYI, probably getting banned for this. Cause i've already received a threatening email from a mod. So if so... Go Colts, Go Pacers !
                  You won't get banned for this post. You said nothing wrong and you didn't call anyone names. I will no longer follow the Colts and I have no interest in starting any thread for any other team here. I will continue to follow the Pacers here. I will change that logo to Denver just for you.....

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                  • Re: Colts-Jags

                    baby steps

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                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      I have been thinking of this for a while and while I was moving my RV from Washington D.C. to Raleigh, NC. It him me hard. I didn't care if I got in to an RV Park in time to watch the Colts. In fact, I no longer care if I see the Colts ever play again unless they are playing Denver or Washington. I am no longer a Colt fan and your boy Irsay did that to me.... I know you all think I am a lone ranger in this but I am not... There are other people who feel the same way. I have decided that I will no longer watch or support the Colts in any way as long as Andrew Luck is there. I may not come back when he is gone. This has only happened to me once before and that was with IU. I was a big IU basketball fan back to the days of Walt Bellamy, the Van Arsdale twins and Jimmy Rahl. When they fired Bobby Knight (and I really don't care about your opinion or hatred of him), they destroyed my fandom and I have never watched another IU game and I am quite sure that I never will. The Colts now fall in that bracket for me and I am very sad about it. They have been a big part of my life for a long time......
                      Why spend so much time on a Colts forum then? Why not just hang out with other Denver fans on a Broncos forum?

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                      • Re: Colts-Jags

                        So that's what happens when you have or least try to have a running game. Thank you Bruce Arians.
                        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                          Originally posted by RWB View Post
                          So that's what happens when you have or least try to have a running game. Thank you Bruce Arians.

                          Love the irony. 28 passing plays and 37 rushes. If he'd used that type of balance in Pittsburgh, he'd still be coaching there.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            Why spend so much time on a Colts forum then? Why not just hang out with other Denver fans on a Broncos forum?
                            Or with other Manning fans at a Manning forum? There's nothing inherently wrong with fans of a particular player following them around. But acknowledge it for what it is... for some people the names of the back of particular jerseys mean more than the names on the front.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • Re: Colts-Jags

                              The best thing last night.... Here I am in Terre Haute Indiana, in a TGIFs, on a Thursday night, and it is packed with jersey wearing Colts fans. Whoever said the fan base was going to collapse was so way off the mark.
                              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                              • Re: Colts-Jags

                                The Jags suck, but any road win for this Colts team is big. This was a big psychological victory because we sure as hell didn't want the Jags only two victories this season to be against us. This was nice payback for what happened in Indy weeks back. Even though the Jags and Titans aren't any good, they've always given us trouble when we play them on the road. There were multiple times in the Manning years when they beat us even though they had bad teams. They've always gotten revved up to play us. I said a few weeks ago that winning a road game was going to be the biggest hurdle for this team. Now we've managed to win two on the road against division teams. Incredible what this team is doing right now. We are without question the biggest positive surprise in the NFL this season. This is easily one of my favorite Colts seasons ever.

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