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  • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

    Originally posted by Tom White View Post
    The next time Cowherd shows any knowledge about basketball will be the first time he shows any.
    I agree with you, but my point was that no matter what he knows (which im sure is way more than any of us on this board), he is putting a good spin on this thing in our favor from a bigger picture standpoint.

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    • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

      Since there's a rumor of JO to ATL, why not include them in the 4-way instead of Boston? Does ATL have any assets that Minny would accept? Maybe something like this:

      LA gets:
      KG

      ATL gets:
      JO
      LO

      Minny gets:
      Josh Smith
      Foster
      #3 pick (Horford?)
      #19 pick

      Indy gets:
      Bynum
      Brown
      Claxton
      #7 pick

      You add filler to any of them to make it work money wise. LA gets their man in KG. Atlanta gets a new front court that will put them in the playoffs easily. Minny gets a new forward combo in Smith and Horford plus a solid defender/rebounder in Foster and who ever they get at #19 to add to the backcourt. Indy gets their big man, an expiring contract, a new PG or SG at #7, and a backup PG.

      Just throwing it out there.

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      • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

        Originally posted by Jay View Post
        Excellent. Since Kobe and KG each have a bazillion more miles, errr... minutes, I propose we try to trade Murphy + change to the Wolves for KG and Daniels and Williams for Kobe since they're also over-the-hill.

        2-3 good years left for a 28 y/o with less than 20,000 minutes in his career. That's just absurd.
        First of all, did I say anything about your proposed trade? I didnt suggest anthing stupid like that. Why would you put words in my mouth?

        Second of all, with your 20,000 minute theory, explain why JO is always hurt in the last 2 years versus KB and KG injury history. For you to say that you can compare minute for minute playing numbers comparing players is absurd in itself. As Since86 says, theres no comparison.

        THIRD - JO is on the downside of his career with all the low post banging and bumping he has had to endure in 10 years (versus finesse type wing players like kg and kobe). kg doesnt play the low post like JO. 2-3 years max and JO will be a shell of his former self - mark my words. We need to get what we can NOW (but as much as we can at the same time)!
        Last edited by BoomBaby33; 06-26-2007, 03:30 PM.

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        • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

          Originally posted by Jay View Post
          Put KG in a situation where he's got to score all the points AND do all the dirty work, and he'll break down.
          I understand what you're saying to a degree, but there are also genetics involved. And I'm not a doctor, but I think it's overwhelmingly clear at this point that KG is not your average mortal.

          No one plays with more intensity. As skinny as he is, he should not be mixing with the big boys like he has for SOOOO many years and SOOO many minutes without getting beat up and missing more games. I hear you that he isn't THE most physical guy in the world. No, he's not Dale Davis or Charles Oakley. But neither is JO. To suggest KG has to do less on the court than JO just isn't correct in my opinion. Neither are ultimate bangers. But KG is in the paint a lot, especially since his younger days, as you noted.

          Some of it isn't just about miles or minutes on the odometer. Some of it is about the fact that KG clearly just has ligaments, tendons and muscle fibers that are made of some sort of adamantium alloy.
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          • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

            Wal-Mart knows everything. The Super Wallies in TH have their JO, Jackson and Tinsley jerseys half price, yet the Foster and Granger jerseys remain full price? I wonder if the Wal-Marts in Cal are having sales on the Odom jersey as we speak.
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            • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

              Originally posted by bread View Post
              Since there's a rumor of JO to ATL, why not include them in the 4-way instead of Boston? Does ATL have any assets that Minny would accept? Maybe something like this:

              LA gets:
              KG

              ATL gets:
              JO
              LO

              Minny gets:
              Josh Smith
              Foster
              #3 pick (Horford?)
              #19 pick

              Indy gets:
              Bynum
              Brown
              Claxton
              #7 pick

              You add filler to any of them to make it work money wise. LA gets their man in KG. Atlanta gets a new front court that will put them in the playoffs easily. Minny gets a new forward combo in Smith and Horford plus a solid defender/rebounder in Foster and who ever they get at #19 to add to the backcourt. Indy gets their big man, an expiring contract, a new PG or SG at #7, and a backup PG.

              Just throwing it out there.
              Makes no sense for Atlanta and Minny gets screwed. Not to bang on your trade but this will never happen.

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              • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                I question some of you. KG, JO, and Kobe all came out of highschool into the NBA, and so they may be showing a few signs of wear here and there these days. Of those three, JO has had the least playtime due to his days in Portland. I'm not a betting man, but I'd say JO has more left than KG (who is also two years or so older than JO), regardless of playing style.

                JO's problem is that he has too much weight for his slim frame. He should be playing at 230-240 lbs instead of the 260 lbs he's been at these past few years. JO is right: he's not a five on defense. No way.

                I think JO would have a career year under O'Brien, maybe more akin to the IT days.

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                • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                  Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                  Yes, because Mark Madsen is just the almighty 2nd fiddle, or how about Wally, or Troy Hudson, the list goes on and on.

                  KG *IS* the Timberwolves. They have no one else, literally. KG would sell his soul to play with the talent that JO has been surrounded by.

                  KG means 10x more to his team than JO. He only led the league in rebounding and shot a higher percentage than JO while not even playing in the post. There's a reason why LA would give up LO, Bynum, and the #19 for KG and won't for JO. There's a reason why Boston is willing to give up Al Jefferson and their #5 for KG, but won't for JO. (the Boston Globe has said that Boston is the team that killed the 4 team trade because they weren't recieving enough.)
                  I'd like to see what JO could've done with Cassell and Sprewell in their primes, plus Wally on the wing with Earvin Johnson, Olawokandi, Oliver Miller and Gary Trent doing the dirty work in the paint. You act like the current version of the T-Wolves is what KG has been saddled with all his career. And you are also overrating JO's surrounding cast in recent seasons.

                  I'm not arguing that JO > KG. I'm saying there isn't much difference and the perceived difference has more to do with how each team has used thier players than the players actual differences in abilities. Comparing the durability of those two players is an absolute joke, though. Show me KG after he spends five years as THE primary post player and I think he'll look a lot like JO, maybe even worse.
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                  • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                    On a related note:

                    Pierce's patience running out

                    Kobe publically comes out and b*tches and wines about wanting some serious changes to the team. Now this:

                    Here's the problem for Ainge: According to a league executive, Paul Pierce has finally told team management that unless the Celtics come out of this week with a talented veteran co-star for him, they should expect him to make a public declaration soon after Thursday's draft that he wants a trade.
                    Its rumored now that Pierce has done the same thing. I'm beginning to wonder when KG and JONeal does the same thing. Maybe it won't happen during the offseason......but if we JO'B doesn't come in and changes this mediocre team into a winning one.....I wouldn't be surprised if JONeal says something between now and the trade deadline.

                    I do commend players like JONeal and KG for not coming out and saying the obvious "I want out and into a better situation" comments. I just hope that we somehow move JONeal before he does something to further lower whatever trade value he has or we somehow turn this shipwreck around.
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                    • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                      Originally posted by Jay View Post
                      . Comparing the durability of those two players is an absolute joke, though.
                      Then why did you do it?
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                      • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                        JO has too much class and respect for the city to pull a Kobe/Pierce.

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                        • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                          Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                          Bball, I agree that we have to make a trade. I suppose one could argue that we have to make it right now, rather than anytime before the trading deadline, but delaying it until after the season starts would seem to put more risk into the goal of making the playoffs.

                          However, I don't in any way, shape or form believe that Bynum + #19 + crap is enough for O'Neal. It would take Odom as well.

                          Having said that, I think the Pacers are beginning to be squeezed into a decision. We no longer have the upper hand in mere talks with LA, but instead are probably trying to find ways to still stay in the deal with all 4 teams, rather than the trade breaking down to just 3 teams with the Pacers left out.

                          What does that mean? That means that if we get rid of JO now, we are the ones making concessions. And, what we all feared to most just might happen... we will be the ones getting screwed and not the da#n Lakers.
                          I'm not sure I agree with ya there. It appears they made the same offer for Garnett, and Mchale said that wasn't enough for Garnett. So if it's not enough for Garnett, and the Lakers feel it's TOO much for JO, then the Lakers are still the team in limbo. They HAVE to do something, or Kobe is an unhappy camper. We still don't have to move JO, we would like to, but we don't have to.

                          That's why we're still the 3rd team. Minnesota doesn't want the Lakers deal, and the Pacers do, so the Pacers just need to find a team to take on JO and give Minny what they would want, which is expiring contracts, young'ens and HIGH draft picks.

                          If the Pacers can't find that, Minny will keep KG or look elsewhere, while the Lakers will be stuck and still only have the Pacers offer, or trade Kobe.

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                          • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                            Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                            I told you all a week ago there would be these 3 way deals and other BS coming out of LA. Why isn't this coming out of Indianapolis or Minnasota? I'll tell you why, becasue it isn't happining. The Lakers are getting very, very nervious and edgy due to all the bad publicity that Kobe is getting them, to counter that you will see articles just like this from the LA times and various other "reputable sources".

                            The PAcers are standing pat to the following deal:

                            Jermaine O'Neal & Troy Murphy to the Lakers for:

                            Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Jordan Farmar, Kwame Brown and the 19th pick.

                            The Pacers have told the Lakers thats the deal and the only way that Bynum is left out is if the Lakers come up with a draft pick in the top 9 this year. So don't get your hopes up to high, I see the Pacers walking away and keeping O'Neal more then the Lakers getting him.

                            You know I know that all of you are just dying for the gavel to fall and something to happen. As you can see that in the above reply on this post that again I was right about this. The Lakers are VERY DESPERATE to make a trade for a big name...yet they have nothing that Minnesota needs (Expiring contract, high draft pick) , Boston was getting completely screwed and The Pacers were getting moderately screwed. Yet all of you want to cling on to these three or four team deals as "for real". I will tell you for the last time that the Lakers and Kobe keep filling Ric Buchers head and mouth with more BS then one man can spew. Not only is this guy a hack, but he's trying to become Amad Rashad Jr.

                            I believe in the long run Garnett goes to Boston for the previous trade including the number 5 pick. Then those great front office genuis of the Lakers will come to the Pacers once again and try to get O'Neal for Bynum and Odom...the only problem is that the Lakers have dorked (I removed the ic and inserted or) the Pacers around a little to much, and if there is a trade don't be to surprized to see Tinsley or Murphy going and the contract of Kawame Brown coming to Indy.....

                            and if not....OH WELL !

                            Thanks Lakers, you guys put the "in" in inept!

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                            • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                              Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                              I believe in the long run Garnett goes to Boston for the previous trade including the number 5 pick. Then those great front office genuis of the Lakers will come to the Pacers once again and try to get O'Neal for Bynum and Odom...the only problem is that the Lakers have dorked (I removed the ic and inserted or) the Pacers around a little to much, and if there is a trade don't be to surprized to see Tinsley or Murphy going and the contract of Kawame Brown coming to Indy.....
                              I tend to agree with your prediction, although there's still a chance LA gets #5 and Ratliff for Odom and sends them to Minny to satisfy their desire for a high pick and expiring contract.

                              If Boston agrees to this then KG will be in LA. If not, then I think he's more likely to end up in Phoenix than Boston -- he's said they're his preference, and they can offer Marion, Thomas's expiring contract, 2 late first rounders this year, and Atlanta's unprotected 2008 first rounder.

                              If LA loses out, they'll come crawling back to us and the asking price for JO will have gone up.
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                              • Re: Lakers/Minnesota/Pacers/possible 4th team in talks

                                Originally posted by kidthecat View Post
                                JO has too much class and respect for the city to pull a Kobe/Pierce.
                                I believe that he is a classy guy....but there is only so much mediocrity ( assuming that we don't turn things around under JO'B with the current roster ) that I think that he will take. Maybe it won't be now........but if we pick up where we left off last season....I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumblings coming from JONeal.

                                What's worse is that if Kobe/KG/Pierce ends up somewhere else.....I can see JONeal doing something similar.
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