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Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

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  • #31
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

    Old and slow and put up 15 points 11 rebounds and 3 assists...


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    • #32
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

      The past two games is by far the best Roy has ever played. He's not just scoring when he is able, he is scoring when the Pacers really need a score and when the defense is locked in on him. - that is a major difference from before.

      I expected the Pacers to lose at Philly, the Sixers are one of the best teams in the NBA right now. They have the greatest point differential in the NBA. They won't be the best team in a few weeks when other teams get into a groove, but the Sixers made very few changes since last season and several of their players have improved so I expected them to get off to a good start.

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      • #33
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        Old and slow and put up 15 points 11 rebounds and 3 assists...
        You can comment about other things in my post if you want too, not reason to get all defensive about me criticizing the new "golden boy", the true is that he was not as good as the stats show, his defense was once again bad, Peck and other people have mentioned the same thing but when I do it people get all sensitive :
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        • #34
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          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          You can comment about other things in my post if you want too, not reason to get all defensive about me criticizing the new "golden boy", the true is that he was not as good as the stats show, his defense was once again bad, Peck and other people have mentioned the same thing but when I do it people get all sensitive :
          Seeing as that was the only thing I had a comment on from your post and agreed with everything else, I'd say you're the one who is getting defensive and probably needs a :


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          • #35
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            The past two games is by far the best Roy has ever played. He's not just scoring when he is able, he is scoring when the Pacers really need a score and when the defense is locked in on him. - that is a major difference from before.

            I expected the Pacers to lose at Philly, the Sixers are one of the best teams in the NBA right now. They have the greatest point differential in the NBA. They won't be the best team in a few weeks when other teams get into a groove, but the Sixers made very few changes since last season and several of their players have improved so I expected them to get off to a good start.
            Yeah the Sixers to me are like a better version of the Pacers, they are also more athletic and quicker than us, I also expected the Pacers to lose even with Danny and Hill playing.
            Last edited by vnzla81; 01-10-2012, 12:20 PM.
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            • #36
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              DJ was OK but he was bad at times doing his best Tyreke Evans impersonation, overall he did better than Danny, making 50% of his shots with 2ast and 3reb and good D.
              This kind of gets said around here like it's an accepted truth, but I keep watching Kobe Jones get burned a lot on defense, every game.
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              • #37
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                *sigh* after this, I'm completely done arguing this stuff. But it just bugs me because it's inaccurate.

                Hibbert was not on a role. Hibbert had just entered the game. (Literally) Price was playing the shooting guard position. He had two wide open mid-range shots. Why is it bad that your shooting guard took two open mid-range shots?
                Yes, he was. Roy literally just scored on one of the two possessions above fairly easily. Give the big man the ball!

                This statement is inaccurate, that was a tough shot, his momentum was carrying him to the basket, he was off balance, but he tries it not once? But twice? Give me a break and know your role.

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                • #38
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  This kind of gets said around here like it's an accepted truth, but I keep watching Kobe Jones get burned a lot on defense, every game.
                  I meant to say better D than Danny, so in other words if we were going to get the same Danny Granger we got so far this season(.300) and 13/15 points per game, I don't think we lost that much by having DJ replacing him, reason why I don't buy the excuse that we could have won the game with Danny in the game. Now if you tell me that we are getting the old Danny back that's a whole different conversation.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                    In AJ's defense, those two missed baseline jumpers were good open looks. If he is going to be on the floor, I think it's a shot he needs to take.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      I meant to say better D than Danny, so in other words if we were going to get the same Danny Granger we got so far this season(.300) and 13/15 points per game, I don't think we lost that much by having DJ replacing him, reason why I don't buy the excuse that we could have won the game with Danny in the game. Now if you tell me that we are getting the old Danny back that's a whole different conversation.
                      Count55 had a tweet the other day, where he used the numbers from Synergy Sports about Dannys defense.

                      Let's just say that you aren't even in the same universe as what has been happening on the court.

                      I forget the exact details, but I'm positive it was measuring 27 iso plays where Danny was the defender. I know they resulted in 10, count em, TEN turnovers with a FG% at 23%. (I'm pretty sure it was 23%, but if not, it was in that territory)

                      I'll go back through his tweets and see if I can locate the exact tweet.

                      Danny's defense has been fan-freaking-tastic this season.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                        Found it.

                        @TimDonahue
                        @8pts9sec per @mtSynergySports Grangers' defensive #s are sick. In 54 plays, allowing 05.2PPP, 24.4% FG%, & 10 TO's vs. 2 shooting fouls.
                        I remembered 27, because that's the points scored (54 possessions, 1/2 a point per possession)
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                        • #42
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                          Do you have DJ's numbers to compare them? either way I'm not a numbers guy, yeah is a tool that you can use but it shouldn't be the tool, I'm sorry but I still remember people telling me that having Dunleavy and Mcbob in the starting unit made us one of the better teams in the NBA, that pretty much did it for me not to trust numbers ever again, that and JOB with his +/- BS and also using opponents shooting percentage as a way to defend the other teams players.


                          Edit: By the way I'm going to start to pay even more attention to Danny's D because I haven't really see this great D everybody keeps talking about, how many times during the game he is guarding the other team best player? PG is usually the one in charge of doing this, how many teams with a dominant SF have we played? Detroit, Raptors, Cleveland, Nets and Bobcats don't have a player as good as Danny to play againts him, again I'm not hating, all I'm saying is that the sample that we have at this moment is not big enough, now if he keeps doing it until the end of the year we might end up with Danny in the NBA defensive team.
                          Last edited by vnzla81; 01-10-2012, 01:22 PM.
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                          • #43
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                            So many people have resorted to the "it's a tool, not the tool" line it's becoming overplayed.

                            I don't know how you can say they're just numbers, when they're measuring what you're seeing. +/- gets that excuse, because those are completely dependent on the other 4 guys you're playing with.

                            Measuring his defensive stats in iso plays, measures what you see with your eyeballs.


                            Danny is putting up downright awesome defensive numbers. I haven't even mentioned the fact that he's fourth in the NBA in steals. He's taken multiple charges, he's been getting deflections, and his energy on the defensive side has been well above average for him.

                            At this point in time, it's like you focus on the one or two times out of ten that the offense does something positive, and then applying that as the overall standard of Danny's defense.

                            You're just not right about this topic. His defense is much better visually, and statistically.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                              Quite true.... one could attack Danny's team defensive abilities if they want to give it a try. But this season, there is no way in hell they can attack his man-on-man defensive success in isolation plays. The statistic in this case is there where all, end all.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                                OK so here is a list of Danny's opponents so far this season:

                                Prince, Rasual Butler, Parker,Lebron,Pierce,Thomas and whoverer they had in NJ, only two players out of all those guys are as good or better than Danny and the other guys would not even start in a good team, as we all know Danny got destroyed by Lebron in Miami but Danny did a good job againts Pierce, again not hating or trying to stir the pot or anything but I just think that the sample is too small and the list of players he played againts are not good offensive players to begging with.
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