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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #31
    Re: Kaman available

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    Roy backs up Kaman, and if he ever gets his head on straight again, you decide which one to trade.

    I realize the Clippers might find this too pricey, but I think you might be able to sell them on it. Granger would be better for them than he is for us; he'd be like Luol Deng has become for Chicago. Great to have when he's not one of your best guys.

    Very soon, this lineup could be quite formidable:

    Bledsoe
    Gordon
    Granger
    Griffin
    Jordan
    If we involved a third team that wanted expiring contracts, I think we could get this type of deal done. Clearly, we need to make some kind of move like this to get some high draft picks...along with shoring up the front line. Danny is the asset that needs to be sacrificed for the next iteration of the rebuild. Without risk folks, there is little reward.

    In the meantime, we resign Dunleavy for a more reasonable contract to backup Paul George.

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    • #32
      Re: Kaman available

      I do think Kaman and Roy could play together. If they both averaged 30 minutes that'd would only put on the court at the same time about 12 minutes. One thing that would be interesting would be Tyler and Kaman if you want to have some rough play in the paint.
      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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      • #33
        Re: Kaman available

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        In the meantime, we resign Dunleavy for a more reasonable contract to backup Paul George.
        I'd just rather be patient and draft one of Jordan Hamilton or Kyle Singler. That is, unless if Brandon Knight isn't available.

        If we don't get a wing in the draft, I'd rather make a run for the following instead of resigning Mike:

        -Marquis Daniels. We all know he's solid, and he hasn't had injuries in a while. Sign to a short contract.
        -Nick Young. He's inconsistent, but he just had a 43 point game and then a 29 point game. He'd start for us, and then become a 6th man. He's still young, and I don't really know if he's going to be hard to get or not.
        -Tracy McGrady. Changes the pace of the game. Solid defender, and can spot up. Short contract.

        If we can't get any of them, just throw Lance out to the wolves and give Paul some extended minutes. I think Mike is good, but it's time to rid ourselves of the Murphleavy thing for good.

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        • #34
          Re: Kaman available

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          Danny for Kaman, their 1st (which is currently the 7th pick), and the rights to Minnesota's unprotected 2012 1st?
          Please Lord. Please.
          We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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          • #35
            Re: Kaman available

            I really really loved Kaman coming out of Central Michigan, and he has done really well for himself, but I dont think we need Kaman at all. I think somewhere like San Antonio or Orlando will go after him.
            "Did we learn anything?"-Jonathan Ames

            "No, but thats okay, It's a good thing to stay in the dark about things - it keeps life more interesting."- George Christopher

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            • #36
              Re: Kaman available

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              I like that if we trade Hibbert this summer once Kaman is healthy.

              NO ONE is getting traded this summer.... it's called a lockout.

              Any trade would have to be done now b4 the trade deadline or after the lockout ends. I'm, personally, looking for "at least" a half season lockout.

              That's why I wasn't opposed to taking on some players 2 year contracts b/c a good portion or all of next season's salary wouldn't have to be paid. Thus making the contract easier to handle. Kirk H. of the Wiz b4 the Pacers got DC. I read recently the Wiz are NOW open to trading Kirk. Not surprising with the way Nick Young is playing since Arenas was traded. They'll have to get a b/u for Wall if they do. I know just the b/u PG for them that has an expiring too!

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              • #37
                Re: Kaman available

                I'd be interested in Kaman as the starter, and let Hibby be the b/u while he gets his game together.

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                • #38
                  Re: Kaman available

                  I don't know, chain leg injuries aren't very promising. I'd much prefer a Nene, even if we traded Hibbert for him while he still has value. Denver would probably take it - drop salaries, get another young piece.
                  As for Hibbert+Kaman combo together on the court, I don't like it at all. Twin towers strategy might work, if they are both very good, or complement each other extremely well. In this case, it would be disastrous.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Kaman available

                    Kaman has missed 111 games due to injury since the 07-08 season. No thank you.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Kaman available

                      Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                      Kaman has missed 111 games due to injury since the 07-08 season. No thank you.
                      Thats why i said IF healthy would be a good pickup

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                      • #41
                        Re: Kaman available

                        Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                        Kaman has missed 111 games due to injury since the 07-08 season. No thank you.
                        Kaman isn't the major draw here IMO. I think the Pacers need draft picks to improve their talent level and continue the rebuild.

                        Let's not make the same mistake as we did with Jermaine O'Neal and not recognize when it was time to move him. As Hibbert regresses, the JO trade looks worse. No question we could have had Lamar Odom and other pieces...

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                        • #42
                          Re: Kaman available

                          I wouldn't trade Hibbert for anyone except a complete young star right now. This season doesn't matter anyways. Give him some time this offseason to bulk up. And I don't want Kaman stunting his growth for the next 2 seasons. use the 12 million in cap space for something long term.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Kaman available

                            Hibb is 24 playing for a Coach who doesn't know, and won't learn how to utilize him best. I wouldn't even think about trading any of our young guys until we at least try a new coach, especially for veterans who may or may not have peaked.
                            Protect the Promise!!!!

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                            • #44
                              Re: Kaman available

                              So, we're talking about a guy that needs a lot of touches to be effective ?? In JOBs perimeter offense ??

                              Well THAT won't work.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Kaman available

                                Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                                Kaman has missed 111 games due to injury since the 07-08 season. No thank you.
                                That actually took longer to come out then I expected. I know he's had injuries but so has Nene who I would also like. I don't care about an injury from 2007 as long as it's not a reoccurring injury like a back problem or knee problems that linger. Nene had testicular cancer discovered in late 07 and has been solid since returning for the past 2 full seasons.
                                Kaman had a dislocated knee during the 07/08 season. Last year he played in 76 games and made the all star team so it wasn't a lingering issue. This year Kaman is dealing with an ankle injury and doesn't look to return until Feb. I would expect a clear bill of health from an expert before we took on Kaman but I don't see an ankle injury as a long term risk. We're not talking about J.O. with a lingering knee problem. We're not going to get a superstar for an expiring contract and picks. I'd rather take on Kaman or Nene then to go after a player like Randolph. I think we're either going to have to take a risk and make a trade like this or let our contracts expire and overpay for a mediocre player in free agency.

                                The idea of trading Granger is one I never thought of. I don't think the Clippers would consider throwing in 2 picks. If Kaman were playing right now I doubt if they'd even consider throwing in a 1st. round pick at all. If we could get 2 picks and Kaman I'd we'd have to do it. If it came to giving up Granger to get Kaman and a 1st. or giving up Dun and a 1st. to get Kaman, I'd choose the later.
                                Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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