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Jim O'Brien is new head coach

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  • #91
    Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

    Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
    Okay, let's stop the revisionist history here. O'Brien didn't make Walker a better player. If he had played up to his potential Boston wouldn't have dumped him, and it was long after his days in Boston when Walker even came close to being in shape.

    Are you saying that Jim did not get more out of Walker than any other coach he's played for (and he's played for a ton of coaches)

    I think by any measure Walker's best days werew with the Celtics with O'Brien as coach

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    • #92
      Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      One thing everyone must admit. Jim O'Brien was able to get the most out of Walker - no other coach has been able to get half of what O"Brien got out of him.

      The other thing I really rememeber about Jim, is he tailors his offense around the star players, he tailors his system around the star players - and he gives them a lot of freedom to play on the offensive end as long as they play defense.

      He doesn't try to plug players into his ioffensive system, he builds the offensive system around his players. ------- you all should like that right?
      buck, at least for me, its not that obrien is a bad coach or even just a so-so coach. but he's so similar to carlisle and yet carlisle has been much more successful. carlisle's firing makes less sense when you hire a guy like o'brien in his place. give carlisle a guy like mike brown and suddenly carlisle is a guy that likes good defense.

      like i said, i'm not disappointed in the quality of coach - i'm terribly disappointed in management for trying to fix problems from two years go (discipline) and not looking one or two moves into the future.
      This is the darkest timeline.

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      • #93
        Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

        Originally posted by aero View Post
        wow...we are gonna suck next season

        flop for #1 pick next season ? ...looks like thats what we're doing...
        I hope so.

        O.J. Mayo
        Shawne Williams
        Danny Granger
        Lamar Odom
        Andrew Bynum


        With Ike off the bench. A young team to get excited over.

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        • #94
          Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          AGAIN, why in the freaking world is this Larry's hire? I've seen many quotes from Donnie talking about the process.

          Some things just remain constant, overreactions saying this team is going to the ****ter, and all bad things are Larry's fault.
          If you are refering to my post, you may not be but, I am hearing just posting what I hear from ESPN.
          I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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          • #95
            Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

            Originally posted by Y2J View Post
            An offense like the Suns is so much more enjoyable to watch.
            Which is, of course, why the Suns are in the NBA Finals...
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #96
              Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              Oops, I need to edit my last respone.

              I'm actually pretty happy it is Jim O'Brien. He really, really focuses on defense. I wonder if Dick Harter is coming with him.

              I consider this good news. His name wasn't even rumored though was it.

              He's a very quality coach.
              ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

              UB, I concur. This is a solid choice. At the very least I am willing to give the
              guy a chance. People are jumping off cliffs and berating the Pacers as clueless. People have lost all patience. I hope that Bird sticks to his plan,
              whatever that is and does not give in the clamor. DW has been very good at
              that through the years and has served him well. The negativity has gotten out of hand.
              {o,o}
              |)__)
              -"-"-

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              • #97
                Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                buck, at least for me, its not that obrien is a bad coach or even just a so-so coach. but he's so similar to carlisle and yet carlisle has been much more successful. carlisle's firing makes less sense when you hire a guy like o'brien in his place. give carlisle a guy like mike brown and suddenly carlisle is a guy that likes good defense.

                like i said, i'm not disappointed in the quality of coach - i'm terribly disappointed in management for trying to fix problems from two years go (discipline) and not looking one or two moves into the future.
                I disgaree that Rick and Jim are similar. Their offensive philosphies are different, and their defensive systems are different

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                • #98
                  Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                  Originally posted by Y2J View Post
                  I hope so.

                  O.J. Mayo
                  Shawne Williams
                  Danny Granger
                  Lamar Odom
                  Andrew Bynum


                  With Ike off the bench. A young team to get excited over.
                  No way on OJ Mayo. He's a nutcase. We are trying to rid of our attitude problems. There's too many good PGs in next years draft to take Mayo.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    buck, at least for me, its not that obrien is a bad coach or even just a so-so coach. but he's so similar to carlisle and yet carlisle has been much more successful. carlisle's firing makes less sense when you hire a guy like o'brien in his place. give carlisle a guy like mike brown and suddenly carlisle is a guy that likes good defense.

                    like i said, i'm not disappointed in the quality of coach - i'm terribly disappointed in management for trying to fix problems from two years go (discipline) and not looking one or two moves into the future.
                    I disgaree that Rick and Jim are similar. Their offensive philosphies are different, and their defensive systems are different

                    If I can locate my old tapes of the 2003 playoff series berween the Pacers and Celtics, I'll watch some of that. Oh wait, I might have thrown all those out in my purging of all things isiah Thomas a few years back

                    I know one of his years in Boston he was able to get that team to be in the top 4 in defensive FG%. And that team had several bad defenders. He'll do that here as well. - more I think about it, the more I like it
                    Last edited by Unclebuck; 06-01-2007, 12:45 AM.

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                    • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      I disgaree that Rick and Jim are similar. Their offensive philosphies are different, and their defensive systems are different
                      right, but i guess i'm talking about players tuning him out. i could be wrong, but i've always thought of both coaches as great X&O guys that seemed to have trouble communicating with their teams.

                      like i said don't get me wrong, i'm saying i like o'brien, i just don't understand the firing of carlisle because i thought of carlisle as a better o'brien.
                      This is the darkest timeline.

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                      • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                        I'm kind of excited. I admit it.

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                        • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                          AGAIN, why in the freaking world is this Larry's hire? I've seen many quotes from Donnie talking about the process.

                          Some things just remain constant, overreactions saying this team is going to the ****ter, and all bad things are Larry's fault.

                          And conversely, if there was a move that fans liked, we'd probably here how the great Donnie Walsh was a genius.

                          We need to let Bird sink or swim on his own.

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                          • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            I disgaree that Rick and Jim are similar. Their offensive philosphies are different, and their defensive systems are different
                            Unclebuck, I know you already said that O'Brien will run the offense through his All-Stars, but do you think we will play more of a grinding half-court game or try to quick quiker and run (not like Phoenix) in the open court. Because if he loves his players taking threes, the first thing that comes to mind is run-and-gun.
                            I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                            • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                              No I was referring to Kegboy about if this doesn't pan out, then it should be Larry's head.

                              It's just another example of how Larry's "moves" are stupid, while Donnie gets the credit for good ones.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                                Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                                He also reached the ECF with the Celtics with Pierce/Walker, that's quite and accomplishment.

                                Had any of our other candidates coached a team to the ECF finals?
                                SVG

                                Previously Rick Carlisle when he was hired.

                                And he reached the ECF when the East was at it's lowest point, when NJ was the only team remotely capable of matching the top West teams. His other big success came at the hands of Isiah's brilliant coaching, followed by being swept out in round 2. Of course his Celtics did beat Rick's Pistons that ECF season, but that was the Pistons prior to Rip and Billups.


                                Don't get me wrong, he's not a hack or anything, but this choice does clearly come out of left field.

                                The impression his commentary at ESPN left me with was of a guy who was pretty reasonable, discipline and defensive oriented and honestly not that far off of where Rick was in his outlook on the game. Not in playbook necessarily, but in how they like to handle players, except that Jim seems more willing to confront players.


                                I don't know what to think of this deal to be honest. I won't just like it for the sake of liking it or hate it because it's a surprise. I do think Boylan was a good choice and I wonder how the Pacers can hire a coach they haven't even interviewed as far as we heard (or was he mentioned previously?).

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