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DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

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  • #16
    Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

    There's always a fair amount of "grass is greener" thinking on this forum. I, on the other hand, often suffer from "our grass is greenest" thinking. I would bet that I'm one of the few posters who has a higher opinion of DC now than before we acquired him.

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    • #17
      Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

      Jason Kidd? Luke Ridnour? C'mon man!!!!!

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      • #18
        Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

        Originally posted by I Love P View Post
        Jason Kidd? Luke Ridnour? C'mon man!!!!!
        Ridnour starts for them, but he isn't their best player at the position. More often than not, he plays off the ball with Rubio or Barea handling it. Still for what he does, he's extremely effective. Honestly, that's probably how Collison would be most effective too.

        If you don't think Kidd would help this team out immensely, I can't help you.

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        • #19
          Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

          ...Still need a few more games this season to start seeing what level players will rise (or fall) to and be their baseline. Everyone is still adjusting.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • #20
            Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

            I didn't read any of the posts before I answered the poll. I said he is in the 21-25 range, with him being closer to 21 than 25, IMO. He is one of the best of the bottom third of starting PGs. That is a solid PG, who you would love to have as a backup, but is replaceable as a starter if the opportunity presents itself. I think Collison is a very good PG, but at 5'11" 160, he isn't a world beater. I love his quickness, and would use him coming off the bench to push the hell out of the ball (in an ideal world). But he is too good to not start for us. I think he will lose that elite quickness at some point and he will be relegated to a backup role somewhere. I love his character and intelligence. I like his work ethic and quickness. His jumpshot really could stand to improve, which will only help him get into the lane with space at his size.

            He is our "worst" starter, but that is selling him "short". Haha. Ok. So.... he is at the prime of his career and we should make sure we let him do what he can to help our team. If a deal comes along where he is part of it to upgrade somewhere, I don't think including him should preclude us from taking the deal. I would love to upgrade the PG spot more than any other position, but that is not to "slight" Collison. It has more to do with his skill set that will wane "quicker" than our other guys. I kill me.

            Nice poll Mackey, although you are doing a pretty hard sell job in your OP.
            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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            • #21
              Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

              Why are we trying to **** on our young players?

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              • #22
                Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                Originally posted by Winner View Post
                I would even take Holiday and Nash off of that list too. I think at the end of the year, Jrue and Darren's stats will almost be the same and Darren runs the offense better. And, Nash is really old.
                Then let's trade DC for Jrue.

                I'd honestly rather have Jrue.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • #23
                  Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                  I was going to start a new thread on the Darren Collison topic but will write a couple thoughts here.

                  I'm not a big fan of his game, mainly because he doesn't have the court vision for a point guard, and he doesn't make up for it with size and defense.

                  Last year, he was a score first point guard. At least he can be pretty good at scoring at times. But that's not what I want from the point guard, especially a small one hurting you on the other end.

                  All that said, I have been really impressed with his improvement since last year. I'm not impressed enough to keep him as our starting pg, but nevetheless his changes need to be considered and factored into the equation.

                  He has clearly stopped being a score first point guard. He's not that good at distributing the ball, but he has no doubt made it his mission to be a distributor first. Yes, I would like Steve Nash to be doing it instead. But nevertheless it is true that a bad distributor who is intent on distributing is better than a score first point guard who just intends not to involve the other players much.

                  Our offense will be better this year because Darren Collison, the bad distributor, is distributing a lot more.

                  Added to that, when he does now, at various and strategic times, take it on himself to score, it becomes a delightful, effective treat. He can score. He can hit big shots. He's got some skills, no doubt. When he calls his number now, I am no longer angry and resentful that he is a selfish player. Instead, I enjoy the show, now offered in moderation.

                  Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I love his attitude and what it potentially means for team chemistry. Anybody see his interview after, I think, the Charlotte game? Whichever it was, I was really impressed. He articulated his new role as distributor. He knows what he's doing. He is in fact "teachable" as David West described him in a preseason interview.

                  He is committed to a team concept. He is working the plan. I see him get angry at teammates who take bad shots. His attitude is affecting the whole team like yeast in dough.

                  Now, if only he had good court vision. Then I would be really excited. I want a new starting point guard. Until then, Darren Collision is improving and is contributing in ways not obviously seen on TV, i.e. team chemistry.

                  Who knows, maybe his court vision will improve. That seems like an innate thing, but I will cut him a little slack since he's showing himself to be a good soldier. If and when we get a new starter, we'll have one heckuva backup.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #24
                    Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                    Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                    I didn't read any of the posts before I answered the poll. I said he is in the 21-25 range, with him being closer to 21 than 25, IMO. He is one of the best of the bottom third of starting PGs. That is a solid PG, who you would love to have as a backup, but is replaceable as a starter if the opportunity presents itself. I think Collison is a very good PG, but at 5'11" 160, he isn't a world beater. I love his quickness, and would use him coming off the bench to push the hell out of the ball (in an ideal world). But he is too good to not start for us. I think he will lose that elite quickness at some point and he will be relegated to a backup role somewhere. I love his character and intelligence. I like his work ethic and quickness. His jumpshot really could stand to improve, which will only help him get into the lane with space at his size.

                    He is our "worst" starter, but that is selling him "short". Haha. Ok. So.... he is at the prime of his career and we should make sure we let him do what he can to help our team. If a deal comes along where he is part of it to upgrade somewhere, I don't think including him should preclude us from taking the deal. I would love to upgrade the PG spot more than any other position, but that is not to "slight" Collison. It has more to do with his skill set that will wane "quicker" than our other guys. I kill me.

                    Nice poll Mackey, although you are doing a pretty hard sell job in your OP.
                    Great response.

                    Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                    Why are we trying to **** on our young players?
                    Why are we so defensive when it comes to anything that can be construed as criticism about them?

                    It isn't about ******** on anybody. It's criticism, meant to initiate discussion. This is a message board after all. Isn't that point?

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                    • #25
                      Wow...I would say dc is better than:
                      Nelson: he isn't ever healthy
                      Harris: guy isn't as good as people think.
                      Teague: I know he is getting better but come on man.
                      Chalmers; you have to be kidding me.
                      Kidd: he's ancient If someone slit his throat dust would come out.
                      Stuckey: yeah he isn't a pg.
                      Jennings: yeah just terrible.
                      Evans: he isn't a point guard.
                      Augustine: I would actually probably rather have dj.

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                      • #26
                        Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                        I guess I just don't see the point of making a thread basically saying "Hey! Everybody! Come hither! Look how sh*tty I think our starting Point Guard is!" when he's a young, improving starter on a team that's 6-3.

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                        • #27
                          Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                          Yeah I wouldn't take Chalmers or Stuckey over DC, Chalmers to me looks good because he is playing with the big 3 and Stuckey's talent is better than DC but his attitude sucks, not sure about Jason Kidd he just looks really old this year, everybody else yeah, I would trade DC for any of the other PG's mentioned.

                          Nash, Calderon, Felton, Ridnour and Harris would be in the top of my list of point guards that I would like to acquire.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #28
                            Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                            :shakehead
                            Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                            • #29
                              Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Wow...I would say dc is better than:
                              Nelson: he isn't ever healthy
                              Other than 08-09 when he had his shoulder surgery, he's averaged more than 71 games per season. That's not terrible.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Harris: guy isn't as good as people think.
                              Neither is Collison.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Teague: I know he is getting better but come on man.
                              I'm interested to see what happens tonight. I think Teague will end up being the better player.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Chalmers; you have to be kidding me.
                              No, I'm not. This is similar to Ridnour. A lot of the time, he's playing off the ball. I think him and Collison are pretty similar, but I prefer Chalmers.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Kidd: he's ancient If someone slit his throat dust would come out.
                              He's old, but he's still effective. I think a Collison for Kidd swap would make this team a top 4 team in the conference this year.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Stuckey: yeah he isn't a pg.
                              He is for them.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Jennings: yeah just terrible.
                              He's struggled shooting the ball, obviously, but the guy has the skills to be a much better distributor than Collison.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Evans: he isn't a point guard.
                              He is for them.

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              Augustine: I would actually probably rather have dj.
                              Uh...ok.

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                              • #30
                                Re: DC vs. the other starting NBA Point Guards

                                Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                                You can't have a star at every position, you know. If Darren Collison is your weakest starter, you have a very solid team.
                                That's the point, WE DON'T HAVE AN STAR IN ANY POSITION, reason why Mackey is bringing the point that for us to compete we need at least a pretty good player in every position.
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