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  • #16
    Re: Colts-Broncos

    Originally posted by bunt View Post
    Baloney.

    He's used to running out of the tunnel at Lucas Oil with 67,000 fans standing and going crazy for him (and his teammates). That Sunday night, he'll be running out of the tunnel for the first time as the opposition and the 67,000 (or at least the vast majority in my opinion) will be clapping for Peyton as a sign of love and respect and thanking him for everything he did for the Colts.

    And then after the opening kick, Peyton is going to want to drop the hammer on the Colts like the Broncos have on each of their opponents thus far. And likewise, Colts fans will be hoping for a sack, a pick, or an incompletion on every Peyton dropback.


    The last sentence I agree with the rest? Eh

    He of all people knows its a business I mean his dad went through the same thing himself with the Saints. He moved on as soon as we secured Andrew Luck and not a moment sooner. Fans moved on sooner than that wearing Luck jerseys before it was even possible we were going to get him and that dumping Manning was the way to go etc to say otherwise is just false. If there's someone better on the horizon fans move on I mean look how quickly the Packers forgot about Favre with Rodgers, Montana with Young etc. And here most people have already moved on from Peyton and if you said this 3 years ago this would've been laughed at.

    Colts fans who think he's going to be all warm and fuzzy with the fans before kickoff are overestimating themselves here he'll acknowledge it and keep it moving ala Andy Reid. Its going to be no different than McNabb/Eagles, Montana/Niners etc sure the media will make it into some emotional moment but the players are immune to that sort of thing.

    Regardless of the outcome I will be glad when this game is over.
    Last edited by Basketball Fan; 10-08-2013, 03:36 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Colts-Broncos

      Thanks for breaking my thread streak kid
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      • #18
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        Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
        The last sentence I agree with the rest? Eh

        He of all people knows its a business I mean his dad went through the same thing himself with the Saints. He moved on as soon as we secured Andrew Luck and not a moment sooner. Fans moved on sooner than that wearing Luck jerseys before it was even possible we were going to get him and that dumping Manning was the way to go etc to say otherwise is just false. If there's someone better on the horizon fans move on I mean look how quickly the Packers forgot about Favre with Rodgers, Montana with Young etc. And here most people have already moved on from Peyton and if you said this 3 years ago this would've been laughed at.

        Colts fans who think he's going to be all warm and fuzzy with the fans before kickoff are overestimating themselves here he'll acknowledge it and keep it moving ala Andy Reid. Its going to be no different than McNabb/Eagles, Montana/Niners etc sure the media will make it into some emotional moment but the players are immune to that sort of thing.

        Regardless of the outcome I will be glad when this game is over.

        No one is saying that he's going to break down in tears and weep openly on the field as soon as he takes the first snap. But there's no way that he's not going to be feeling quite a bit of emotion as he takes the field. Of course he is still going to play the game the exact same way as he would if we were any other team, but that doesn't mean that he won't feel weird when he goes into that visitors locker room.

        Sure his own dad went through it, but Archie's pro career doesn't hold a candle to Peyton. Archie didn't win a Super Bowl and transform a franchise from dumpster to elite like Peyton did. Archie didn't put up the freakish stats that Peyton did. Prior to a couple of years ago, there's no way that Peyton or anyone else could have ever dreamed that he would have finished his career anywhere else. It was an unpredictable series of events for him, fans, Irsay, and everyone else. There's no way that playing here is going to be the same for him as traveling out to Oakland. A legend like Peyton Manning usually doesn't get released from a team when they still have years of ball left (not saying Colts made wrong move, just saying that it's not an everyday thing).
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-08-2013, 04:16 PM.

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
          The last sentence I agree with the rest? Eh

          He of all people knows its a business I mean his dad went through the same thing himself with the Saints. He moved on as soon as we secured Andrew Luck and not a moment sooner. Fans moved on sooner than that wearing Luck jerseys before it was even possible we were going to get him and that dumping Manning was the way to go etc to say otherwise is just false. If there's someone better on the horizon fans move on I mean look how quickly the Packers forgot about Favre with Rodgers, Montana with Young etc. And here most people have already moved on from Peyton and if you said this 3 years ago this would've been laughed at.

          Colts fans who think he's going to be all warm and fuzzy with the fans before kickoff are overestimating themselves here he'll acknowledge it and keep it moving ala Andy Reid. Its going to be no different than McNabb/Eagles, Montana/Niners etc sure the media will make it into some emotional moment but the players are immune to that sort of thing.

          Regardless of the outcome I will be glad when this game is over.
          No one is saying it's going to be a cryfest or that Peyton will address the crowd for 10 minutes prior to the game. He's not going to be inducted into the Ring of Honor, they're not going to retire his jersey that night.

          But it will absolutely be emotional for him and the fans when Peyton is announced or when he runs out of the tunnel. He's used to being booed ferociously on the road. This is Colts fans' first opportunity to publicly thank Peyton for all he did for the Colts and the city.

          And again, after that moment, it's back to Broncos vs. Colts for the players and the fans.
          Last edited by bunt; 10-08-2013, 04:24 PM.

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            No one is saying that he's going to break down in tears and weep openly on the field as soon as he takes the first snap. But there's no way that he's not going to be feeling quite a bit of emotion as he takes the field. Of course he is still going to play the game the exact same way as he would if we were any other team, but that doesn't mean that he won't feel weird when he goes into that visitors locker room.

            Sure his own dad went through it, but Archie's pro career doesn't hold a candle to Peyton. Archie didn't win a Super Bowl and transform a franchise from dumpster to elite like Peyton did. Archie didn't put up the freakish stats that Peyton did. Prior to a couple of years ago, there's no way that Peyton or anyone else could have ever dreamed that he would have finished his career anywhere else. It was an unpredictable series of events for him, fans, Irsay, and everyone else. There's no way that playing here is going to be the same for him as traveling out to Oakland. A legend like Peyton Manning usually doesn't get released from a team when they still have years of ball left (not saying Colts made wrong move, just saying that it's not an everyday thing).

            Joe Montana did and won more SB's too if he can get kicked to the curb Manning wasn't any different except that it involved the Colts.

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            • #21
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              Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
              Joe Montana did and won more SB's too if he can get kicked to the curb Manning wasn't any different except that it involved the Colts.
              Yes, Montanta did when he had just two years left of lower quality (by his standards) football left in him. Favre left the Packers only after he screwed around with them by retiring and then coming back. They didn't release him before that. Did it happen to Brady? Elway? Marino? Staubach? I guess Unitas played one year in SD, but that's hardly the same as Peyton's situation. You'll be hard pressed to find a quarterback who was cut by a team that he was iconic with and THEN went on to play some of the best football of his entire career.

              No one would have ever predicted that it would ever get to a point where the Colts would release Peyton when he still had plenty of gas left in the tank. If I would have said three years ago that Peyton Manning would finish his career somewhere else, I would have been laughed off the forum. No one ever saw this coming. If there was one thing in the world that was certain, it's that Manning would finish his career as a Colt.

              Besides, the fact that similar situations have happened before has nothing to do with this. This game on October 20 is about Peyton Manning coming back to Indianapolis, not Montanta going back to San Francisco. Manning will always be remembered as a Colt, practically built the stadium, played some of the best QB ball ever here, won a Super Bowl, elevated the franchise from dumpster to elite, and did about everything else that an athlete can do for a franchise/city. You really think that he's just going to internally be able to shrug that off and treat it like it's a game in Kansas City? I'm not saying that John Fox is going to have to bring Kleenexes to him in between snaps, nor am I saying that it's going to affect his throw to Wesley Welker in the end zone. All I'm saying is that he's human and there's no way that he won't be feeling emotion about the place where he spent 14 memorable years.
              Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-08-2013, 04:44 PM.

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              • #22
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                People are saying now he has gas left in the tank but where was this talk when he was out for the season a couple years ago many thought he wouldn't play again if we knew he was going to play again and be like this then why did the Colts cut him?

                Irsay must have crappy doctors or he wanted to go with younger cheaper version of Manning in Andrew Luck. I'm leaning towards the latter as time passes after all he has to think of the Colts beyond the Manning era

                Regardless Montana lead the Chiefs to the AFC Championship it was unfortunate he got injured in that game and pretty much ended his career at that point for good so he had something left now obviously it wasn't his best years but they weren't crappy either.

                My point is if Joe Montana an icon of 49ers Lore can be kicked to the curb after all he's done then Manning was no different when it came down to it or anyone else.

                There's no real loyalty in professional sports or anywhere else if something better comes along.

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                  People are saying now he has gas left in the tank but where was this talk when he was out for the season a couple years ago many thought he wouldn't play again if we knew he was going to play again and be like this then why did the Colts cut him?

                  Irsay must have crappy doctors or he wanted to go with younger cheaper version of Manning in Andrew Luck. I'm leaning towards the latter as time passes after all he has to think of the Colts beyond the Manning era

                  Regardless Montana lead the Chiefs to the AFC Championship it was unfortunate he got injured in that game and pretty much ended his career at that point for good so he had something left now obviously it wasn't his best years but they weren't crappy either.

                  My point is if Joe Montana an icon of 49ers Lore can be kicked to the curb after all he's done then Manning was no different when it came down to it or anyone else.

                  There's no real loyalty in professional sports or anywhere else if something better comes along.
                  I think we had all these discussions and arguments about a year ago.

                  Bottom line, when Peyton returns to Indy there will be tons of emotions from the fans and him. Look no further than his exit press conference with the Colts.

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                  • #24
                    And if Montana went to San Fran, it would have been a big deal.

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                    • #25
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                      this will be super emotional for Peyton and the whole city of Indy. To be completely honest I am going to be rooting for the Colts but would not be disappointed if the Broncos win. I grew up watching Peyton, from the age of 8-19 I became a diehard Colts fan because of him. I can and will never root against him. The guy will and will always be the man that got me hooked on football.

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                      • #26
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                        I'll cheer for Peyton but not that night. I love Peyton to death, but I'm loyal to the Colts are will be rooting hard for our defense to slow down that offense.
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                        • #27
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                          This is going to be the biggest regular season SNF game since the 4th and 2 game in 2009.
                          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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                          • #28
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                            Peyton Manning won a SB as an Indianapolis Colt. He was drafted by the Colts. He thought he would retire a Colt but fate dealt him a different hand. He's still loved in Indpls.. You have to be absolutely blind not to see this as a game with extra meaning for Manning.
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                            • #29
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                              I just got tickets from a friend! I cant wait to go!
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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                                People are saying now he has gas left in the tank but where was this talk when he was out for the season a couple years ago many thought he wouldn't play again if we knew he was going to play again and be like this then why did the Colts cut him?

                                Irsay must have crappy doctors or he wanted to go with younger cheaper version of Manning in Andrew Luck. I'm leaning towards the latter as time passes after all he has to think of the Colts beyond the Manning era

                                Regardless Montana lead the Chiefs to the AFC Championship it was unfortunate he got injured in that game and pretty much ended his career at that point for good so he had something left now obviously it wasn't his best years but they weren't crappy either.

                                My point is if Joe Montana an icon of 49ers Lore can be kicked to the curb after all he's done then Manning was no different when it came down to it or anyone else.

                                There's no real loyalty in professional sports or anywhere else if something better comes along.
                                Come on now, Montana's impact on SF is nothing like Manning's on Indy. A lot of it is circumstantial, the 49ers were a mediocre franchise before Montana arrived but they still had decades of history and several good seasons. The Colts were basically the laughing stock of Indianapolis when Peyton Manning arrived. The Hoosier Dome wasn't selling out, the Colts had basically no history other than a few seasons of Eric Dickerson and the AFCG run in 1995. Put it this way, the Colts had been in Indianapolis for something like 15 years when Manning arrived and they had won the division once. No one had faith in the owner. The Colts simply weren't cool and the NFL wasn't quite as hot as it is now. Believe me, I was at those games in the pre-Manning era, my grandparents were ST holders and I was the only person in our family willing to go to the games with them! The upper bowl was empty, the fans in the lower bowl were totally uninterested. I've seen more field goal battles with the Jets and Bills in the old AFC East to last a lifetime. What little interest people had in the Colts tended to dissipate as soon as pre-clas basketball HS, NCAA basketball and to a lesser extent the NBA (people were following Bird more than the Pacers, but another story for another day) started up.

                                If the Colts had drafted Ryan Leaf and continued to stink through the early 2000's, with Indiana's tax averse fanbase and the growing popularity of the NFL, there is a very good chance another city would have seen the opportunity and given Irsay a sweetheart deal to get out of the aging RCA Dome and into a state of the art facility somewhere else. Indianapolis would be much closer to Columbus, Ohio than a "real" big city. " The city seems to be on the up and up, hosting big events including a Super Bowl, like it or not the city would be held in much less regard without the Colts and without Manning there may be no Colts. Take it from someone who lives somewhere else, I get a somewhat different reaction to saying I am from the Indy area now than I did 10 years ago. People will now mention "oh, the Colts" or maybe the Super Bowl or even just acknowledge the city, ten years ago they just said "where?

                                Not to discount Montana or anything, the guy is definitely in the conversation for GOAT, but Manning's impact on the Colts really transcends football, and to the extent that it encompasses football, it completely changed the trajectory of the franchise. And Peyton knows all this, he's not dumb.
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