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  • Roy and Rebounding

    There seems to be a common perception that Roy not getting 10 RPG is a big deal. Simply put it isn't. To quote Coach Evil it is "Irrelevant". Take a gander at these stats.

    Rebound Differential
    +4.1 rank 2nd

    Total Rebound Percentage
    .524 rank 2nd

    Defensive Rebound Percentage
    .768 rank 1st

    Opponent Defensive Rebounds Per Game
    30.5 rank 6th least

    Opponent Total Rebounds Per Game
    41.0 rank 4th least

    We are an elite rebounding team with or without Roy getting 10 per game. Roy is also a top 10 offensive rebounder at the center position at 175 total and an average of 2.7 (which accounts for just shy of 1/3rd of all Pacers' offensive rebounds). Where Roy doesn't get as many rebounds as his peers is defensive rebounds. This is in large part by design. By turning Roy into Mt. Hibbert he often is not in position to get a defensive rebound because he is trying to block or alter the shot being taken. What this does do though is open the door for Lance, Paul, and Hill to be above average to great rebounders at their positions. If there is anyone on this team that we should be complaining about not getting enough rebounds it is West.

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    When Roy contests shots it takes him out out of rebounding position. People who just look at Roy's size and complain about his lack of rebounding don't have a clue. He is our most important defensive player, so he expends energy getting back on defense as opposed to crashing the boards, and he contests shots, which causes misses and leaves a lot of backside rebounds open for guys like David and Lance.

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      Re: Roy and Rebounding

      Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
      When Roy contests shots it takes him out out of rebounding position. People who just look at Roy's size and complain about his lack of rebounding don't have a clue. He is our most important defensive player, so he expends energy getting back on defense as opposed to crashing the boards, and he contests shots, which causes misses and leaves a lot of backside rebounds open for guys like David and Lance.



      Soooo much this!

      Last night Roy contested a couple shots in a row and idiots in my section got pissed off at Roy b/c the Celtics ended up getting the Oreb and making the shot, despite his momentum going away from the basket and West being the one being beat by his man to the rebound. SMH... Just because a guy is 7'2 doesn't mean he is inspector gadget and should get every rebound within 8 feet even if there is 2-3 opponents between him and the ball, contrary to what my section believes (I'm still pissed that after last season our ticket rep promised we could move and when we showed up to seat selection day we were told we couldn't)...
      "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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      • #4
        Re: Roy and Rebounding

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        There seems to be a common perception that Roy not getting 10 RPG is a big deal. Simply put it isn't. To quote Coach Evil it is "Irrelevant". Take a gander at these stats.

        Rebound Differential
        +4.1 rank 2nd

        Total Rebound Percentage
        .524 rank 2nd

        Defensive Rebound Percentage
        .768 rank 1st

        Opponent Defensive Rebounds Per Game
        30.5 rank 6th least

        Opponent Total Rebounds Per Game
        41.0 rank 4th least

        We are an elite rebounding team with or without Roy getting 10 per game. Roy is also a top 10 offensive rebounder at the center position at 175 total and an average of 2.7 (which accounts for just shy of 1/3rd of all Pacers' offensive rebounds). Where Roy doesn't get as many rebounds as his peers is defensive rebounds. This is in large part by design. By turning Roy into Mt. Hibbert he often is not in position to get a defensive rebound because he is trying to block or alter the shot being taken. What this does do though is open the door for Lance, Paul, and Hill to be above average to great rebounders at their positions. If there is anyone on this team that we should be complaining about not getting enough rebounds it is West.
        If the role for the PG/SG/SF is to pull down the rebound while Hibbert/Mahinmi blocks out...what is the role of the PF in all of this?
        Last edited by CableKC; 03-12-2014, 02:51 PM.
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          Re: Roy and Rebounding

          As has been brought up recently, the only thing I'd quibble with Roy's rebounding is on the offensive side of the ball. The Pacers are 19th in ORB% despite possibly being the biggest team in the league. It may not be their biggest problem, but it's the biggest area IMO where they have underachieved.

          Roy losing a full offensive rebound per game compared to last year despite playing 1.6 minutes more and taking over a shot less per game is one of the main culprits of that (Hansbrough to Scola is the other big one). This should be an area the Pacers can get a lot better in.

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          • #6
            Re: Roy and Rebounding

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            If the it is the PG/SG/SF role to pull down the rebound while Hibbert/Mahinmi blocks out...what is the role of the PF in all of this?
            Actually I think the PF is the one that should be blocking out, b/c our Centers are normally contesting shots and you cant do both...
            "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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            • #7
              Re: Roy and Rebounding

              Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
              As has been brought up recently, the only thing I'd quibble with Roy's rebounding is on the offensive side of the ball. The Pacers are 19th in ORB% despite possibly being the biggest team in the league. It may not be their biggest problem, but it's the biggest area IMO where they have underachieved.

              Roy losing a full offensive rebound per game compared to last year despite playing 1.6 minutes more and taking over a shot less per game is one of the main culprits of that (Hansbrough to Scola is the other big one). This should be an area the Pacers can get a lot better in.
              I think the reason for Roy's Oreb going down slightly is if you watch closely opposing teams are often blocking Roy out with 2-3 players (and count on their PF to beat our PF to the rebound). I like analytics but they don't tell the full story, like other team's putting an extra person to block out a player when the ball is in the air.
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                The biggest problem that I have with Roy under the boards is that his hands are not great and he ends up on the floor far too often. What I like about him the most is that a 7'2" man cannot be ignored anywhere near the basket. What would help us the most regarding Roy would be if he can somehow improve his ability to stay on his feet and to improve his offensive game to the point where he must be double-teamed any time he gets the ball in a post-up position, assuming that he can gain and hold said position in the first place.

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                  Re: Roy and Rebounding

                  Coaches are having anybody near Roy (bigs and wings) come in and slam against him while blocking out. The foul isn't called because Roy is so big, and he can't get the rebound because he is thrown off balance because he...well...isnt the most stable person.

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                    Please God stop making excuses for this 7'2 man... who is the highest paid player on our team.... There is no excuse or reason a 7'2 Center should let guards take rebounds from him, or be boxed out... Fans will be making excuses for Roy his whole career... I have a one word answer for all of you and its : SOFT... Beside lack of talent, lack of being able to jump , lack of strength, lack of instinct, lack of good hands, He is and will always be SOFT...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Roy and Rebounding

                      Originally posted by Millertime3131 View Post
                      Please God stop making excuses for this 7'2 man... who is the highest paid player on our team.... There is no excuse or reason a 7'2 Center should let guards take rebounds from him, or be boxed out... Fans will be making excuses for Roy his whole career... I have a one word answer for all of you and its : SOFT... Beside lack of talent, lack of being able to jump , lack of strength, lack of instinct, lack of good hands, He is and will always be SOFT...
                      "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                      • #12
                        Re: Roy and Rebounding

                        Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                        When Roy contests shots it takes him out out of rebounding position. People who just look at Roy's size and complain about his lack of rebounding don't have a clue. He is our most important defensive player, so he expends energy getting back on defense as opposed to crashing the boards, and he contests shots, which causes misses and leaves a lot of backside rebounds open for guys like David and Lance.
                        This is the only valid point on this whole Blog.. but its still not an excuse... A player can contest shots and rebound... Deandre Jordan Does it and he averages 14.5 rebounds a game... I promise you if Bynum plays 15 mins a game he will out rebound Roy if he plays 30.... Its simple Lack of skill and talent...

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                          Re: Roy and Rebounding

                          Originally posted by Millertime3131 View Post
                          This is the only valid point on this whole Blog.. but its still not an excuse... A player can contest shots and rebound... Deandre Jordan Does it and he averages 14.5 rebounds a game... I promise you if Bynum plays 15 mins a game he will out rebound Roy if he plays 30.... Its simple Lack of skill and talent...
                          Jordan plays a different defensive scheme where they don't funnel players to him. It is easier to get Def rebounds when you primarily go for just help side blocks.

                          While Bynum was able to get rebounds our defense was worse with him in there and they got many easy baskets at the rim.

                          You are looking at things way to narrowly.
                          "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                          • #14
                            Re: Roy and Rebounding

                            It's a big deal if we plan on giving him 30%. Humphries rebound over Roy last night happens way too often for me to ever consider Roy anything other than an average rebounder for his size.

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                              Re: Roy and Rebounding

                              Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
                              As has been brought up recently, the only thing I'd quibble with Roy's rebounding is on the offensive side of the ball. The Pacers are 19th in ORB% despite possibly being the biggest team in the league. It may not be their biggest problem, but it's the biggest area IMO where they have underachieved.

                              Roy losing a full offensive rebound per game compared to last year despite playing 1.6 minutes more and taking over a shot less per game is one of the main culprits of that (Hansbrough to Scola is the other big one). This should be an area the Pacers can get a lot better in.
                              If you want Roy to crash the offensive boards harder then fine. Be prepared to have him in foul trouble more often and give up more transition buckets. I am not saying you are wrong, but there are areas which will hurt if Roy crashes the offensive glass harder.

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