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The Grady and Big Joe Show

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  • #31
    Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

    Originally posted by croz24 View Post
    It definitely hurts not having Granger in there as it throws off our rotations and Granger is still a fairly decent starter that the opposition has to account for. But Granger is in no way our best player. Arguably not even in our top 3.
    Croz, your irrational hatred of Danny has reached a new level.
    This space for rent.

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    • #32
      Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

      Hill wasn't very good last night, but he also wasn't bad like some are saying.

      Only took 9 shots, 33%, clearly hampered on both ends with the hip. Despite that he played a clean game, 7/1 AST to TO ratio is incredible.

      Scored 6 of his 8 in the last 3 minutes.

      He had a great "finish", but certainly just played "ok" overall. Lowry certainly got the best of him, but Lowry was absolutely ON last night, and is a great PG himself. We don't need Hill to score 15-20 points, we need to him run the offense and feed Hibbert/West and prevent penetration by the PG on defense. He was 2 of 3 last night in that regard.



      Regarding the Raptors, they could contend for a playoff spot. I don't see why everyone thinks they're so bad. Barg's was hurt all of last season, JV wasn't here, Lowry/Calderon is probably one of the best PG combos in the league, DeRozan is a great wing player, Amir Johnson is a solid defender, and Ed Davis is Taj Gibson-like off the bench. Dwayne Casey is a great coach, he's got them playing much better defense. They could definitely steal a spot from NY/Atlanta

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      • #33
        Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
        Croz, your irrational hatred of Danny has reached a new level.
        Well if Danny is as good as Green he is not even top 10, take that
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #34
          Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

          Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
          Hill wasn't very good last night, but he also wasn't bad like some are saying.

          Only took 9 shots, 33%, clearly hampered on both ends with the hip. Despite that he played a clean game, 7/1 AST to TO ratio is incredible.

          Scored 6 of his 8 in the last 3 minutes.

          He had a great "finish", but certainly just played "ok" overall. Lowry certainly got the best of him, but Lowry was absolutely ON last night, and is a great PG himself. We don't need Hill to score 15-20 points, we need to him run the offense and feed Hibbert/West and prevent penetration by the PG on defense. He was 2 of 3 last night in that regard.



          Regarding the Raptors, they could contend for a playoff spot. I don't see why everyone thinks they're so bad. Barg's was hurt all of last season, JV wasn't here, Lowry/Calderon is probably one of the best PG combos in the league, DeRozan is a great wing player, Amir Johnson is a solid defender, and Ed Davis is Taj Gibson-like off the bench. Dwayne Casey is a great coach, he's got them playing much better defense. They could definitely steal a spot from NY/Atlanta
          He doesn't have to score 15-20 points but when you score 2 in about 45 minutes thats a big problem and he was a great distributer at the very beginning of the game, but was also a huge reason if not the main reason why we got destroyed in the 3rd quarter. Also Lowry is really good, but he was even better then usual last night, because of Hills D.

          DeRozan is a great wing player?!?!?!
          The Raptors are about as good as the Pacers were with JOB, not bad but not average either... 30-37 wins
          Last edited by TheDavisBrothers; 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM.
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          • #35
            Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

            Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
            It the Raptors end up with 35+ wins, I'd be stunned.

            **Not trying to take away from last night's win. Any win on the road is a good thing but that is still a bad team we beat.**
            I wouldn't call them "bad"... 35 wins isn't bad, that's nearing the middle of the pack, and capable of beating you if you don't take them serious. Which it sort of felt like for large periods of the game last night. DWest took them serious in the 4th, that's for sure.

            I could see them getting to 40ish wins. I've not seen a "bad" team play such energetic defense in awhile. They did keep us to 90 points. I'm not saying they'll be contenders, but the East isn't exactly set in cement, either. I'm just saying that they've got some good young pieces there, and they'll be a force in a year or two if they keep that group mostly intact.
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            • #36
              Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

              Anytime you're as good defensively as the Raptors are, you're going to be tough to beat. Offense comes and goes, good/physical defense is consistent and contagious.

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              • #37
                Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                Anytime you're as good defensively as the Raptors are, you're going to be tough to beat. Offense comes and goes, good/physical defense is consistent and contagious.
                I think you're overrating their D, they are an average defensive team, they were 14/30 in defensive efficency (they were 9th in actual points because they played a slow pace) last year and while they held us to 90 points last night, it wasn't a fast paced game, our starting PG was banged up, and SF was out. While Lowry is an odvious upgrade at point, they also lost their best defender on the team in James Johnson...
                Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                • #38
                  Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                  Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                  He doesn't have to score 15-20 points but when you score 2 in about 45 minutes thats a big problem and he was a great distributer at the very beginning of the game, but was also a huge reason if not the main reason why we got destroyed in the 3rd quarter. Also Lowry is really good, but he was even better then usual last night, because of Hills D.

                  DeRozan is a great wing player?!?!?!
                  The Raptors are about as good as the Pacers were with JOB, not bad but not average either... 30-37 wins
                  Yes. Or at least, I should say "Good going on great", if that makes you feel better.

                  He's added the 3 to his game, and is a very good player with great written all over him.

                  Toronto thinks highly of him, as they just gave him $40M over 4 years.

                  Oh, and Lowry made people look bad all year, at least until the injury. He's really good. Averaging 14+ and 7 AST over the past 2 years, and that was in a situation that was less than ideal in Houston.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                    Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
                    Yes. Or at least, I should say "Good going on great", if that makes you feel better.

                    He's added the 3 to his game, and is a very good player with great written all over him.

                    Toronto thinks highly of him, as they just gave him $40M over 4 years.

                    Oh, and Lowry made people look bad all year, at least until the injury. He's really good. Averaging 14+ and 7 AST over the past 2 years, and that was in a situation that was less than ideal in Houston.
                    He went from being a horrendous 3p shooter to a really bad 3 p shooter, big deal!
                    He is only above average at on thing, finishing at the rim and is a terrible shooter, bad passer, doesn't gel with a team offense, and a mediocre defender/rebounder especially considering his size and athleticism. Toranto overpaid for his flash and will regret his contract...

                    And trust me I know how good Lowry is, and he was even better then usual last night...
                    Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                      Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                      He went from being a horrendous 3p shooter to a really bad 3 p shooter, big deal!
                      He is only above average at on thing, finishing at the rim and is a terrible shooter, bad passer, doesn't gel with a team offense, and a mediocre defender/rebounder especially considering his size and athleticism. Toranto overpaid for his flash and will regret his contract...

                      And trust me I know how good Lowry is, and he was even better then usual last night...
                      He sure d'ed Paul up pretty well after the first quarter.

                      I agree with your statement on his finishing ability. Everything else is pretty subjective, so I'll leave you to that.

                      My point was that *Toronto is actually a decent team, not as terrible as some think.

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                        Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                        I think you're overrating their D, they are an average defensive team, they were 14/30 in defensive efficency (they were 9th in actual points because they played a slow pace) last year and while they held us to 90 points last night, it wasn't a fast paced game, our starting PG was banged up, and SF was out. While Lowry is an odvious upgrade at point, they also lost their best defender on the team in James Johnson...
                        Never said their defense was great. But they do play good defense, as their points allowed shows. The reason their efficiency rating is lower is because of their tendency to foul. With the additions of Lowry, and JV I'd say they're still a top 10-12 defensive team in the league. Maybe not elite, but a team that has a good defensive mentality.

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                        • #42
                          Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                          Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                          What on Earth makes you think this is the case?
                          the fact that this team now has the pieces to compete for a playoff spot, and if you are competing for the playoffs you probably aren't that bad

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                          • #43
                            Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                            Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                            the fact that this team now has the pieces to compete for a playoff spot, and if you are competing for the playoffs you probably aren't that bad
                            There is no way in hell that the Raptors are anywhere close to a playoff spot. Even in the East.
                            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                            -Lance Stephenson

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                              I don't know how good the raptors are going to be, but I was impressed with their defense last night, they played hard. But you cannot judge by the first game. Teams typically start out more even then they end up as the wear and tear of the 82 game grind wears down lesser teams. So the gap between teams right now is a lot less than it will be on January 15th.

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                              • #45
                                Re: The Grady and Big Joe Show

                                Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                                What on Earth makes you think this is the case?
                                Well it's all relative I guess. I think they can compete in the East and will likely finish in the 7-10 spot somewhere.

                                Lowry is a very good PG, JV is the first Raptor to ever score a double-double in his debut (and he will likely be a very important focal point for them).... if Bargs stays healthy.... and Demar continues to improve they aren't an awful team by any means.

                                2 starters last year, Amir Johnson and Jose Calderon, are coming off the bench now, and I like Ed Davis a lot, so they even have a little depth too.

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