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Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

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  • Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

    This is interesting as a sidebar to the Pacers/NBA business model going in the Pacers section. David Stern tells us the pro basketball league is losing money. Well, so is the music business.


    Here's why:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...eloaders/8027/

    Originally posted by The Atlantic
    IT’S OFFICIAL: 2009 was the worst year for the record labels in a decade. So was 2008, and before that 2007 and 2006. In fact, industry revenues have been declining for the past 10 years. Digital sales are growing, but not as fast as traditional sales are falling.

    Maybe that’s because illegal downloads are so easy. People have been pirating intellectual property for centuries, but it used to be a time-consuming way to generate markedly inferior copies. These days, high-quality copies are effortless. According to the Pew Internet project, people use file-sharing software more often than they do iTunes and other legal shops.

    This is a pity. I think iTunes is the best way to buy music ever. And I'm including sheet music, 45s, LPs, 8-tracks, cassettes, and CDs. You can sample any song you want before buying it, and you can buy one song at a time rather than a whole album of songs. I know a guy who prefers buying tunes from Amazon because they have a higher bit rate. But either way, it is a disgrace that the Millennial Generation (or anyone of any age) thinks it is OK to steal music from living musicians.




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    And I won't be here to see the day
    It all dries up and blows away
    I'd hang around just to see
    But they never had much use for me
    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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    Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

    industry revenues might be dropping in the last 10 years...but so have the quality. There is hardly any CDs that interest me - I'm only buying songs for my DJ gigs and sets and of very few other artists - its just utter crap that they are serving these days as "music"

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      Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

      The article goes on to talk about more than music. There's also problems with movies (though the numbers don't look so dismal for theaters as for music):


      These problems will even more deeply afflict the other industries that depend on IP. A smaller, more amateur music business is possible, if not optimal. But I doubt that YouTube can substitute for Hollywood in a world where “cheap” indie films can cost millions. Children’s films might be made at a loss to sell action figures—but how do you finance The Godfather? With a co-branded line of frozen cannoli?



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      And I won't be here to see the day
      It all dries up and blows away
      I'd hang around just to see
      But they never had much use for me
      In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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        Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

        Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
        industry revenues might be dropping in the last 10 years...but so have the quality. There is hardly any CDs that interest me - I'm only buying songs for my DJ gigs and sets and of very few other artists - its just utter crap that they are serving these days as "music"

        Yes, this is part of the story, B-mo. The writer agrees and so do I. there's a drop in quality, and there's also compartmentalization. I can look at whole pages of the "What song are you listening to" thread and I've never heard of any of it.

        But the industry is hurt when someone steals music, whether it's Elvis or ColdPlay. And I don't think the volume of music being stolen reflects the dip in quality.
        And I won't be here to see the day
        It all dries up and blows away
        I'd hang around just to see
        But they never had much use for me
        In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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          Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

          I can't buy music without the case and the physical media. I want to be able to hold the content in my hands and know that it's mine. I like to know that I have the power to manipulate the media in any form I see fit, regardless of the legality.

          Sure, I'll buy one or two songs here or there, but to me being able to hold the CD case is satisfying.

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          • #6
            Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

            I hate to say it, but the problem with digital sales is traditional sales. CDs have virtually non-existent encryption on them, and even so, encryption of a physical disk has proven to be just this side of worthless, as it can be hacked easily. So, you sell a CD, it gets burned and distributed 10,000 times, and you lose out on, let's say 4,000 sales.

            Record companies had the opportunity to get out in front of this, and instead of changing the paradigm, they raged against the dying of the light, so to speak. I think the answer, long term, is to completely get rid of CDs. Move the copy protection from the disk to the internet. Virtually everything is hooked in via wi-fi or USB port, so require people who would like to listen to a new album to have an account, much like iTunes, and keep a record of every album/song they "own". Require that the player be linked to the account, and make it so that over a course of years, you are only allowed to listen to songs you "own". The trick with this is that people currently still have tons of albums that they own as a physical disk, so you can't implement this type of protection currently, but you can't begin the process until you stop issuing hard-copy disks with no way to verify who owns it.

            There are other ways of implementing this strategy, like having codes with the disk, and you have to put in the code on your account to get access to the album, but the days of simply being able to pop in a CD need to go away if the recording industry is going to thrive again. For a non-music example, look at what Amazon is doing with Kindle. You buy a book on Kindle, often at a reduced price, and it's yours for life. If your display croaks, you can simply buy a new one, link the new one to your account, and download the books again.

            In summary, accounts and passwords are really the only way that the industry is going to get around this, and those who are bellyaching the hardest about these changes are likely the very people who are most guilty of stealing. It would also help if the industry would come together and agree on some sort of standard where your Zune and iTunes purchases were essentially one and the same and could be transferred between accounts to whatever device/service you were currently using.

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              Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

              Originally posted by Eindar View Post

              Record companies had the opportunity to get out in front of this, and instead of changing the paradigm, they raged against the dying of the light, so to speak. I think the answer, long term, is to completely get rid of CDs. Move the copy protection from the disk to the internet. Virtually everything is hooked in via wi-fi or USB port, so require people who would like to listen to a new album to have an account, much like iTunes, and keep a record of every album/song they "own". Require that the player be linked to the account, and make it so that over a course of years, you are only allowed to listen to songs you "own". The trick with this is that people currently still have tons of albums that they own as a physical disk, so you can't implement this type of protection currently, but you can't begin the process until you stop issuing hard-copy disks with no way to verify who owns it.

              There are other ways of implementing this strategy, like having codes with the disk, and you have to put in the code on your account to get access to the album, but the days of simply being able to pop in a CD need to go away if the recording industry is going to thrive again. For a non-music example, look at what Amazon is doing with Kindle. You buy a book on Kindle, often at a reduced price, and it's yours for life. If your display croaks, you can simply buy a new one, link the new one to your account, and download the books again.
              Sounds like big brother keeping an eye on you if you ask me.

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                Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                CD sales are down because early years of CD sales were propped up by the fact that everyone kept buying albums they already owned.

                My dad had several of the same albums on vinyl, 8-track, tape, and CD. Once he bought the CD, he was done. He never bought another copy of that album.

                Once you got easy and essentially perfect format-shifting, the Industry ceased being able to sell the same product to the same consumer time after time. People were sick of it. New digital players that didn't allow previous formats (i.e., ripped CDs) just died off rather than gaining acceptance (I'm looking at you, Sony).

                Add in the fact that most of us have more music than we're able to listen to, and you've got declining sales even if you ignore the fact that quality is down and that file-sharers are more (not less) likely to spend money on music.
                This space for rent.

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                  Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                  And as a side-note, there's less music being stolen today than at any time in the past 20 years.

                  More is pirated, but less is stolen.
                  This space for rent.

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                    Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                    I have quite a few opinions on this subject. Here are just a few in random order:

                    I am not an internet file sharer, though I am a fan of the burned CD that's passed directly to a friend who is more likely than not to really love it. Yes, that's technically an infringement on intellectual property rights, I just had to draw a line somewhere.

                    Since 2000, music has been in a full renaissance period. Very few eras have equaled the diversity, creativity and ... well ... quality of music of the last ten years. (The 60's being far and above any time period for virtually every genre, of course)

                    Here's the difference between this era and the ones before it: This era isn't happening on your radio or your television. The music on your radio and your television, including (but not limited to) R&B, Modern Country and the American Idol Teen Hit Machine mostly sucks donkey butt. That's an offensive image because "hit-making" has reached it's most offensive level since the Orlando mindrape of the national consciousness in the late 1990's.

                    That's the music that can be tracked by national sales figures.

                    HOWEVER, if you can't find absolutely great music, I say get out there and look for it. I mean that quite literally. There's likely great music being played down the street from you this very week. Do us all a favor and go find out who it is and buy a ticket. Dance, Country, Hip-Hop, whatever it is, you just might find your next favorite band.

                    Interesting side-note: Average percentage "take" that a label-signed artist gets from an album sale: ~5%. The "take" an artist gets from a concert ticket: ~35%. The "take" the artist gets from a t-shirt sale: ~75%. Do the math and know that finding the music for free and then seeing the artist in concert and buying the t-shirt is worth 50 album sales to the artist.

                    This is a period of adjustment. Like how buggy whip factories needed a period of adjustment. These music industry slime-balls do not need more millions. The artists do, and it's finally being revealed that "Record Labels" don't offer much more than an obscene amount of overhead.
                    Last edited by Los Angeles; 04-19-2010, 04:15 PM.
                    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                    “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                      Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                      I like this topic.

                      Before going too much further, one needs to call out broadcast radio as well. It is absolutely a major part of the problem.

                      As someone who spends a large portion of my day job dealing with the value of intellectual property, I think those who understate the detrimental impact of pirating and stealing artistic intellectual property are guilty of a crime against a society that supports the arts.

                      The punishment for those piraters should be a lifetime of listening only to the formula-driven CRAP that dominates today's radio stations.

                      (As an aside, I also view Nashville as major contributor to the problem. This is not a mainstream view but follow me down this tangent. Growing up, I listed to a lot of Christian-alternative music - most of it was a variation of surf or SoCal punk. Just as LA said, there was some good quality, personal and heartfelt songwriting and, even with a low budget, good quality recording and production... and there was plenty of crap, too. But all the LA-based labels closed or relocated to Nashville, where the entire industry became paint-by-numbers praise and worship music. Yawn. Just like popular country music has become paint-by-numbers country rock. Ever notice that they're all ripoffs of Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood but Garth and Trisha were ripoffs of the Eagles. At least Trisha would admit it. Garth - I think - really believed he was making authentic country music. I don't really listen to country any more, but the last authentic country singer I recall was Randy Travis. But everyone that listens to country says, "Ah, but he's to 'twangy'". Duh. So when I hear paint-by-numbers music I refer to it as "Nashvillized."

                      /End tangent)

                      Anyway, this is not a chicken and egg problem. The alleged decline in quality is a byproduct of pirating. Think about it, pirating would not have reached such a large scale if the product were already crappy.

                      A number of artists have been forced to take paycuts, or in the face of declining revenue have been forced to renegotiate thier contracts or become independents.

                      I'm a forty yearold father living in the suburbs. I don't have as much access to find music I enjoy as I had when I'm younger. I agree with LA that it exists if you look for it, but I'm at a stage where I need someplace or someone to help me find it. And even then, I don't have much time to enjoy it.

                      WTTS used to be that source. Because WFBQ utterly failed me in the early ninties. Having been out of town for a decade, I don't konw if that is true any more or not. X103 was okay during the 1990s. They did play some new music, and some formula stuff. But there were more likely to overplay a boring new song by the Smashing Pumpkins than introduce a new song by an unknown band.

                      I don't remember which artist it was during the early 90s - maybe the Counting Crows - that Q95 basically ignored. Thier formula did not have capacity to add new artists to the rotation. Then, they stopped playing new music from the artists that were in the rotation. Springsteen and Neil Young have produced some of their best work during the most recent decade. But you'd never know it by listening to the radio.
                      Meanwhile, Deer Creek was booked every summer with old artists playing their same greatest hits over and over. Yawn. And when I see the Boss or Neil, there are always plenty of people compaining that they aren't just playing their greatest hits.

                      There has been a perfect storm brewing against the music industry. Formula-driven radio, recordings that arer easy to pirate, arrogant, corrupt, and incompetent management at the labels, hard-to-find new music, etc. iTunes is the least of thier worries, and the freeloaders are probably not in the top-three for problems of the music industry. But they're also the easiest one to blame as the bigger problems involve a mirror.

                      PS, I think Eindar makes some excellent points in his post as well. Thanks.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                        Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                        Here's the difference between this era and the ones before it: This era isn't happening on your radio or your television.
                        Great post overall, LA. But this line I especially liked.

                        Most of the best music I've listened to this year came from the Internet... the five albums I've listened to most this year were all free (sometimes limited time) downloads from the artist's site. In each case, the artists realized that they could make a better living with free downloads than they could with a record deal.

                        But the original poster isn't wrong... none of these people are "The Music Industry." The music industry is a dinosaur that's quickly becoming extinct.

                        See the new tagline.
                        This space for rent.

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                          Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                          I'll be the first to agree that the music industry is a failure but it annoys me that so many people just steal music and think its okay because Robin Hood stole from the rich.

                          Ridiculous.

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                            Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                            Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                            Sounds like big brother keeping an eye on you if you ask me.
                            In this specific scenario only, what difference does it make? So long as you're allowed to listen to whatever you want, I don't really care if "they" know what I'm listening to for music.

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                              Re: Freeloaders are Ruining the Music Industry!

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              And as a side-note, there's less music being stolen today than at any time in the past 20 years.

                              More is pirated, but less is stolen.
                              I don't think that gives the industry a shred of comfort.

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