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Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

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  • #91
    Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

    Originally posted by beast23 View Post
    But for those who think that Granger's presence stifles George's play, you couldn't be more wrong. Together on the court, they will only provide significantly more opportunities for each other. They will each get more open looks and they will each have more opportunities to drive the ball. West and Hibbert will probably each have more room and time with the ball. And Hill... he's just salivating knowing that he will have many easier options with the ball and players that might be a little "more open" with better scoring opportunities.

    With Granger, this will become one hell of an offensive team, not just a team capable of stopping its opponent from scoring. Now, if our starting five plus Lance and Mahinmi could be able to consume all 240 player-minutes of a game, oh what a world that would be (for a Pacers fan anyway)
    The effectiveness of this year's offense is predicated on their ball movement and off-the-ball movement. I understand that one can simply look at this from the perspective of adding a very solid scorer to the equation that we have now and that it would make a huge difference....but the only concern that I have with Granger's eventual return is whether the Starting Lineup will revert back to their old habit of simply standing there and watching Granger when he gets the ball.

    I know that last season it was decided that Granger would take less less FGAs in favor of "spreading the wealth" ( and therefore offensive focus from himself ) among the rest of the Starters, but I still recall a tendency by the rest of the Team to simply "stop and stare" when Granger got the ball in late game situations.

    I'm not saying that Granger can't adjust....but after PGs recent emergence and GH/DWs increased role on the offensive end, I am more inclined to say that I'm really hope that he and the rest of the Team does adjust to their new roles since there isn't a great need for Granger to lead the Team in scoring or to be "the Man" when it comes to getting a critical point at the end of a game. If anything, I think that GH and DW are more "clutch" when it comes to scoring late in the game.
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    • #92
      Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
      I'm not saying that Granger can't adjust....but after PGs recent emergence and GH/DWs increased role on the offensive end, I am more inclined to say that I'm really hope that he and the rest of the Team does adjust to their new roles since there isn't a great need for Granger to lead the Team in scoring or to be "the Man" when it comes to getting a critical point at the end of a game. If anything, I think that GH and DW are more "clutch" when it comes to scoring late in the game.
      I think this almost goes without saying. Granger will not jump right back in and play 36 minutes per game. And he's not going to immediately "totally engage". He has attended games and certainly realizes that other members of the team can and will continue tp provide ample scoring. If anything, I believe Granger will have a somewhat reduced role in the offense through the remainder of the season, allowing others to continue to shine. So I cannot fathom the other four guys standing around and just watching Granger.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        Paul's overall athletic package is pretty crazy, about the only place he ranks below average is in terms of strength and even then he's kind of shown me some sneaky wiry strength that I didn't really know he had. I never really thought he would put it all together like he is, because honestly how many of them usually do and because I was already pretty happy with 14 PPG, 6 RPG, 2 APG, best defender on the court Paul George, but I'm certainly not going to say no to 20 PPG, 9 RPG, 4 APG, and still best defender on the court Paul George.
        The crazy thing to me, is watching him last night it was still pretty clear he can improve a ton.

        Defensively for example...wait until he figures out how to guard players running off of screens. (Because right now for him, Rudy Gay is an easy cover, while Ray Allen causes all sorts of issues)...or when he knows what he's going to do with the ball before he moves, or when he does get a little bit stronger..or when he "cleans up his game" so the turnovers decrease, or when he works on footwork...watching him last night, I really was stunned by how good he is..and yet how he still looks raw.

        One thing he's improved on tremendously, is his movement without the ball. He's actually good at it now.

        PG always had a better chance than most talented guys to be great...his athleticism, his shooting ability, his height ect..but he also always had a brain and work ethic. The only thing that seemed to hold him back a bit was his aggression, but I don't even mind that because now he's turned into a guy who usually knows when he should pass or when he should shoot.

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        • #94
          Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Sorry to me it's not even comparable.

          Just look at him and Green next to each other on the court, Green is a gifted leaper, but everywhere else Paul is a far superior athlete, much quicker, faster in the open court, better coordination, more balanced as he attacks both offensively and defensively, Paul rarely gets caught where he is leaning too much, yes part of this is anticipation, another huge part is the ability to maintain your balance on the move, which is part of being an athlete.

          Fred Jones is a great dunker, but in a pretty much every other way he was an average NBA athlete.

          Bender is probably the closest of the 3, but even then he just missed....something.

          Don't get so caught up in dunks, there is a lot more to NBA athleticism than dunks. The closest guy to Paul in terms of raw athletic talent is probably Artest.

          Paul's overall athletic package is pretty crazy, about the only place he ranks below average is in terms of strength and even then he's kind of shown me some sneaky wiry strength that I didn't really know he had. I never really thought he would put it all together like he is, because honestly how many of them usually do and because I was already pretty happy with 14 PPG, 6 RPG, 2 APG, best defender on the court Paul George, but I'm certainly not going to say no to 20 PPG, 9 RPG, 4 APG, and still best defender on the court Paul George.
          I think you seem to be giving credit to his athleticism that should really be going to his long arms and legs. And just because the guys I named are good dunkers doesn't mean I was choosing them because they're good dunkers. Paul George is as good a dunker as any of them. He is a better basketball player to them, but in my opinion it's because he is more skilled.

          Either way, there's no reason to demean the other guys just so your blanket statement has more merit. You didn't say he was the best athlete, you said he was the first incredible athlete the Pacers have had in the NBA. Which isn't true.
          Time for a new sig.

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            Danny is not expendable. Without him, our offense blows. We're 28th in the league. That offense will not get it done against the top teams.

            If we want to go deep in the playoffs, we need Danny.

            Lance and PG will be a great tandem in the future. I believe that Lance's offensive game will grow. I believe that PG can improve even more.

            But for the time being, we need Danny.
            I was just getting back to some game archiving from DVR to hard drive and was reviewing some of the playoff footage. That quickly ramped up my excitement for Danny's return. He's not quite what Paul is, especially now, but he's a similar level talent in general. Playoffs are going to be 38-40 minutes of starters, and if that group of 5 is Hill, Paul, DG, West and Roy then they are going to be a severe problem for other teams and that includes Miami, just as it did last year.




            I don't think Augustin looks dramatically smarter on the court it just looks like he's getting some benefit from the more talented starters being there to help clean things up, fix spacing, etc. Defensively he's still a non participant.

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            • #96
              Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
              I was just getting back to some game archiving from DVR to hard drive and was reviewing some of the playoff footage. That quickly ramped up my excitement for Danny's return. He's not quite what Paul is, especially now, but he's a similar level talent in general. Playoffs are going to be 38-40 minutes of starters, and if that group of 5 is Hill, Paul, DG, West and Roy then they are going to be a severe problem for other teams and that includes Miami, just as it did last year.




              I don't think Augustin looks dramatically smarter on the court it just looks like he's getting some benefit from the more talented starters being there to help clean things up, fix spacing, etc. Defensively he's still a non participant.
              How do you go straight off the DVR to an external hard drive? The only way i know how is streaming it off the DVR to my PC then on a hard drive which takes forever. If there is an easier way would like to know lol.

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                I think you seem to be giving credit to his athleticism that should really be going to his long arms and legs. And just because the guys I named are good dunkers doesn't mean I was choosing them because they're good dunkers. Paul George is as good a dunker as any of them. He is a better basketball player to them, but in my opinion it's because he is more skilled.

                Either way, there's no reason to demean the other guys just so your blanket statement has more merit. You didn't say he was the best athlete, you said he was the first incredible athlete the Pacers have had in the NBA. Which isn't true.
                It's true to me, maybe it's not true to you, and that is fine, but I never really watched Fred Jones or Gerald Green play basketball and go wow. I watch their dunks and go wow, so it's just different definitions more than anything else. Paul is making it look easy, in a way I've only really seen one Pacer do it and that was Artest the first few games of a certain season in 2004


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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Bender, Fred Jones, Gerald Green, all of these guys lacked Paul George's body control which is a huge part of athleticism.

                  Watch Paul covering from paint to the 3 point line and back on D in about 3 steps. It's amazing.
                  Bender had it. I saw a few games where the guy moved his body like a wing to grab the board, shot like Dirk and dunked like a beast. He had flashes of something I don't even know what/who to compare to.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                    Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                    Bender had it. I saw a few games where the guy moved his body like a wing to grab the board, shot like Dirk and dunked like a beast. He had flashes of something I don't even know what/who to compare to.
                    Agreed, Bender would sometimes show the really strong body control you need to be a superstar in the NBA. But it was always in such short bursts, like 2 minutes at a time.


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                    • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      Sorry to me it's not even comparable.

                      Just look at him and Green next to each other on the court, Green is a gifted leaper, but everywhere else Paul is a far superior athlete, much quicker, faster in the open court, better coordination, more balanced as he attacks both offensively and defensively, Paul rarely gets caught where he is leaning too much, yes part of this is anticipation, another huge part is the ability to maintain your balance on the move, which is part of being an athlete.

                      Fred Jones is a great dunker, but in a pretty much every other way he was an average NBA athlete.

                      Bender is probably the closest of the 3, but even then he just missed....something.

                      Don't get so caught up in dunks, there is a lot more to NBA athleticism than dunks. The closest guy to Paul in terms of raw athletic talent is probably Artest.

                      Paul's overall athletic package is pretty crazy, about the only place he ranks below average is in terms of strength and even then he's kind of shown me some sneaky wiry strength that I didn't really know he had. I never really thought he would put it all together like he is, because honestly how many of them usually do and because I was already pretty happy with 14 PPG, 6 RPG, 2 APG, best defender on the court Paul George, but I'm certainly not going to say no to 20 PPG, 9 RPG, 4 APG, and still best defender on the court Paul George.
                      I'm with TJ on this one completely. PG is a more total athletic package due to the quickness and control he pairs with his length and hops. I've noticed his improved bounce passes coming out of dribble attacks, right in rhythm with his dribble and almost nonchalant. His ability to stop and recover when guys try to dribble him back to clear space for the jumper. His power hops for challenged rebounds. He's just able to quickly and smoothly adjust and roam the court. Maybe because of this coming from a longer player some of the burst stuff looks less spectacular but he shows more diversity to his game than guys like Fred, Bender or Green.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Agreed, Bender would sometimes show the really strong body control you need to be a superstar in the NBA. But it was always in such short bursts, like 2 minutes at a time.
                        well thats cause he got hurt every two minutes.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                          How do you go straight off the DVR to an external hard drive? The only way i know how is streaming it off the DVR to my PC then on a hard drive which takes forever. If there is an easier way would like to know lol.
                          No, I'm not doing a direct dump or anything. Just regular video capture to laptop in real time. Sucks. I use Pinnacle for editing and stuff, though I'm backlogged on footage and also running out of DVR space.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                            No, I'm not doing a direct dump or anything. Just regular video capture to laptop in real time. Sucks. I use Pinnacle for editing and stuff, though I'm backlogged on footage and also running out of DVR space.
                            Oh, yes I do the same thing I use Sony Vegas though. Takes so much time but it's worth it.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I'm with TJ on this one completely. PG is a more total athletic package due to the quickness and control he pairs with his length and hops. I've noticed his improved bounce passes coming out of dribble attacks, right in rhythm with his dribble and almost nonchalant. His ability to stop and recover when guys try to dribble him back to clear space for the jumper. His power hops for challenged rebounds. He's just able to quickly and smoothly adjust and roam the court. Maybe because of this coming from a longer player some of the burst stuff looks less spectacular but he shows more diversity to his game than guys like Fred, Bender or Green.
                              Which is why PG is the only one to approach talk of being an all star. But there are things each of the others can do that George can't. Just as there are things he does that they cannot do. When Freddy went up for a contested dunk or layup, you knew it was going to be a strong finish whether or not he made the shot. Green can drive across the lane into a big hop step from which he can attack the rim, stop in pop, or shoot different angled fadeaways. Of the group, PG is neither the fastest, the best leaper, or the strongest. He probably is the quickest with or without the ball.

                              But I think where he shines is in his anticipation of what's going to happen. He's the best shooting touch from anywhere 24 feet and in as long as it's not a 20 foot fadeaway, though he needs to work at creating separation without a pushoff. To say that we've never seen what he does before is overstating it. We've seen everything he's done before. But perhaps not with as much consistency as he's shown.
                              Time for a new sig.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                I was just getting back to some game archiving from DVR to hard drive and was reviewing some of the playoff footage. That quickly ramped up my excitement for Danny's return. He's not quite what Paul is, especially now, but he's a similar level talent in general. Playoffs are going to be 38-40 minutes of starters, and if that group of 5 is Hill, Paul, DG, West and Roy then they are going to be a severe problem for other teams and that includes Miami, just as it did last year.




                                I don't think Augustin looks dramatically smarter on the court it just looks like he's getting some benefit from the more talented starters being there to help clean things up, fix spacing, etc. Defensively he's still a non participant.

                                DJ should have had at least 12 assist. West missed three wide open jumpers on picks and pops PG missed that alley and some wide open threes on drive and kicks. Who wouldn't get benefits from playing with starters? 18 and 6 wasn't a mistake it happened so did 17 and 6. While his defense leaves something to be desired it's light years ahead of where it was from at the beginging of the year. I see the effort but he just gets killed by the picks. I think vogel needs to try diferent rotation it's the samegame in and game out. Most of us thought DJ and G. Hill would at least run together for maybe 5 minutes a game.

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