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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

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  • #16
    Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

    Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
    He is a bad player. He doesnt improve, he comes back every year as the same player. He is horrible on defense, he is not a SG. He cant play SF because Danny is better then him. He has no heart and no passion to be a winner, he plays basketball because he has a contract, I doubt he gives a rats *** that the Pacers have missed the playoffs for the first time in 9 years. And its no surprise that we have missed the playoffs with him and Murphy on the team.

    Ohh but his basketball IQ is high. I guess thats a positive, he can watch game tape with our new coach REALLY good.
    For a minute, I thought you were talking about Jax until I read the part about the basketball IQ.
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    • #17
      Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

      Apparently our search for Reggie's heir is over. Jack had the talent but simply didn't work out as a Pacer and now we're stuck with nobody even close to that level. Unfortunately, Dunleavy has neither talent nor passion. I'm fine with the dude being 10th man on the bench or being traded for a 2050 2nd round pick.

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      • #18
        Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

        Originally posted by ajbry View Post
        Unfortunately, Dunleavy has neither talent nor passion. I'm fine with the dude being 10th man on the bench or being traded for a 2050 2nd round pick.
        And you talk about people beying unfair to Jack?





        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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        • #19
          Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

          Originally posted by Roferr View Post
          For a minute, I thought you were talking about Jax until I read the part about the basketball IQ.
          Ohh you mean Stephen Jesse Jackson the one that just killed the Dallas Mavericks in a elimination game. The one that is called by BARON DAVIS the leader of the Warriors. The one who shut down Dirk Nowitzki. The one that stepped up to carry a team to the next round when their best player got hurt in the first qtr of the elimination game. 20 ppg in the playoffs Stephen Jackson. Steps his game up in the playoffs every year Stephen Jackson. Or am I talking about Dunleavy right here.

          I dont know I could be talking about the same person, I bet Mike Dunleavy has all those things on his playoff accomplishments list also.

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          • #20
            Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

            Stephen stepped his game up in the 2006 playoffs? Could be I don't really remember that. I do remember him beying rather negative during that run.
            2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

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            • #21
              Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

              Jermaniac & ajbry:

              Does every single thread need to turn into a Stephen Jackson thread? There is s specific place you can go and post how great Stephen Jackson is. It is here.

              Not trying to be a jerk, but honestly it would be nice if more threads didn't turn into this.

              On Dunleavy:

              I think after Dunleavy bulks up this summer and has more time in the relatively (to golden state) positive atmosphere he will become a very good starter for the Pacers. He will probably always be a role player, but one that improves on court chemistry. Put him in a lineup with Jermaine and another star talent and he will thrive. At least thats my speculation.

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              • #22
                Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                Originally posted by Cobol Sam View Post
                Jermaniac & ajbry:

                Does every single thread need to turn into a Stephen Jackson thread? There is s specific place you can go and post how great Stephen Jackson is. It is here.

                Not trying to be a jerk, but honestly it would be nice if more threads didn't turn into this.
                What the hell are you talking about dude? Do you see who the hell started talking about Stephen Jackson? I'm tired of yall blaming me for **** I have nothing to do with. I made a post talking about Dunleavy and the guy quotes my post taking shots at Stephen Jackson.

                How did JERMANIAC turn this into a Stephen Jackson thread? Riddle me that. The problem you have brought up has nothing to do with me. I dont know about Ajbry and the guy that quoted my post, but if you got problems with them go ahead and talk it out with them.

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                • #23
                  Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                  Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post

                  How did JERMANIAC turn this into a Stephen Jackson thread? Riddle me that. The problem you have brought up has nothing to do with me.
                  Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
                  Ohh you mean Stephen Jesse Jackson the one that just killed the Dallas Mavericks in a elimination game. The one that is called by BARON DAVIS the leader of the Warriors. The one who shut down Dirk Nowitzki. The one that stepped up to carry a team to the next round when their best player got hurt in the first qtr of the elimination game. 20 ppg in the playoffs Stephen Jackson. Steps his game up in the playoffs every year Stephen Jackson. Or am I talking about Dunleavy right here.

                  I dont know I could be talking about the same person, I bet Mike Dunleavy has all those things on his playoff accomplishments list also.

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                  • #24
                    Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                    Originally posted by Cobol Sam View Post
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                    Did you see me just come in here and post that out of nowhere, or was I responding to a guy that quoted my post? Stop woofin dude.

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                    • #25
                      Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                      For Dunleavy, I think its either starter or traded, and I like a lot of what he does and the contract is ugly so I say keep him as a starter.

                      For Jackson, basketball IQ does not = 22 turnovers in 6 games, which is MORE than the PG. When Jax is making 3's he looks real good, but intelligent is not a part of his game. He shoots and if they go in, he can be unconsious, if not, he's a liability to your team. He plays solid but not spectacular defense, it was the Warriors team D that shut Dirk down into shooting outside shots, just that Jax was the main one on em.
                      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                      • #26
                        Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                        Originally posted by mike_D View Post
                        How about the fact Dunlevy has been always been alot better player then Croshere and more productive.He was better in College and he's been better in the Pros.Dunlevy right now is a borderline starter depending on the team and would be a key player off the bench.Croshere never been somebody I though who could be a starter for any team for any given lenght of time. At one point he was a solid bench player but thats it. I just think its a bad comparison.They play different positions, they have different skills.The only thing they have in common is niether one has lateral quickness which makes them poor one on one defenders.
                        Really? Always better? How about from 3pt%? How about REB/48? (in case you didn't notice, that's 1 outside skill and 1 inside skill, so you'd assume each had an edge in one of those categories)

                        Even THIS year AC was a 12+ R48 guy while Mike was only at 7.7. AC last year for Indy was an 11.1 R48 guy.

                        From 3 both have had better and worse years. AC got hurt 2 years ago and shot 26%. However Dun just put up a 28% spot in back to back years WITHOUT injury. AC put 3 years around that injury season of 39.1, 38.9, and 38.6 from 3 for the Pacers. Dun has had 2 seasons over 35% - a 37% his 2nd year and a 38.8 his 3rd. AC proved over the last 4 years that he was the better 3pt shooter pretty clearly.

                        Dun's assists PEAK AT 3.0 in his time at GS this year (by the way, that's BELOW what Jack did in GS, and in Indy Dun was below Jack's Indy assist numbers as well). Croshere is a 1 flat type of assist guy, so Dun gets the nod there. At A48 it jumps to 3.5 vs 2.5 (Dun this year, AC last year with Indy). But is 2.5 really a major impact for assists from the 2-3 spot? AC does 2 things that alter a game, he does hit the 3 and he does crash the boards.

                        What does Dun do that seriously impacts a game? Nothing. He does a bunch of modest stuff, bench side-kick stuff, but nothing that by himself alters a game...unless he is smoking hot from 2 on the catch and shoot which did happen from time to time.


                        They don't play different positions, they are both tall, slow SFs. AC was so slow they moved him to gimmick 4 and went undersized, and now the Pacers need a SG so bad they rotated Dun around to the backcourt which means he's getting toasted on defense at the 2 like AC (and Dun) gets burned when he plays the 3 (by speed).


                        AC was paid 7.3 this year, his FINAL year under contract. Dun got 7.4 with the Pacers on the hook for 4 more years and $37.5m.

                        So as far as I can tell the results and facts strongly imply that the Pacers basically gave Croshere a 4 year extension on his bad contract just when it was about to go away for good. Now think about it, if that had been what they literally did (rather than trading for Dun) how would you feel about it? Would you have faith in TPTB?


                        Again, I liked AC, I like Dun. I don't like the financial situation or especially now how "they" fit on this roster. I mean it made ROSTER sense to swap AC for another backcourt guy. Can we trade Dun for Quis part deux?

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                        • #27
                          Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                          I just dont like Dunleavy at all.

                          Sorry, I think he sucks.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMltKsoDwe8&NR=1
                          press pause on the second slow-mo replay around 0:12 mark

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                          • #28
                            Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                            BTW, for all this bordeline starter talk and so on, have you seen BARNES play this year? Even he's better than Dun. He has the 3, he is quicker, more aggressive to the rim and a far more active defender. (survey says Matt is better in REB48, 3P% - by 7-8%, steals, blocks and almost equal in A48 at GS, better by Dun's Indy standard)

                            This isn't about Jack or AC or whatever. Dun isn't even a favorable comparison with other 6-7th man types for other strong teams.

                            The team got a guy worse than Barnes for the price of a guy as good as Manu or Mobley or Prince or Hinrich (who makes 9.5 per for 5 more years on his extension, Dun makes about 9.25 per for 4).

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                            • #29
                              Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                              Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
                              Ohh you mean Stephen Jesse Jackson the one that just killed the Dallas Mavericks in a elimination game. The one that is called by BARON DAVIS the leader of the Warriors. The one who shut down Dirk Nowitzki. The one that stepped up to carry a team to the next round when their best player got hurt in the first qtr of the elimination game. 20 ppg in the playoffs Stephen Jackson. Steps his game up in the playoffs every year Stephen Jackson. Or am I talking about Dunleavy right here.

                              I dont know I could be talking about the same person, I bet Mike Dunleavy has all those things on his playoff accomplishments list also.
                              A little sarcasm goes a long way, I guess. Geez.
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                              • #30
                                Re: PD Referendum - Mike Dunleavy Jr.

                                I cant tell through a computer screen if someone is serious or not.

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