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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

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  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    Not a huge fan of Sanders until he can start defending his own man at the same high level he plays rim protector.
    agreed, I like Sanders and think that's a solid contract, but the guy's gotten somewhat overrated

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    • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      Not a huge fan of Sanders until he can start defending his own man at the same high level he plays rim protector.
      I totally disagree dude is a defensive anchor. The Bucks were a top 5 defensive team with him on the floor last season and with him off it? Bottom 5. I like mostly everything he does on defense. He does block hunt quite a bit, but even when he does that he affects so many shots the guy is just a menace on the defensive end. I mean this isn't Deandre Jordan who is a terrible player outside of weak side blocks and running the floor. Larry is underpaid IMO for the going rate of big men. He is clearly above McGee and Jordan IMO and he is paid like them.


      I can't wait to watch he and Henson grow together they are easily two of my favorite bigs to watch scary long.


      I read a quote that made me happy the Rockets will play Howard at PF in camp. I have been saying that since the signing that is what they should do. Asik and Howard together

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      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

        Asik and Howard together would be a horrible thing to watch.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          I totally disagree dude is a defensive anchor. The Bucks were a top 5 defensive team with him on the floor last season and with him off it? Bottom 5. I like mostly everything he does on defense. He does block hunt quite a bit, but even when he does that he affects so many shots the guy is just a menace on the defensive end. I mean this isn't Deandre Jordan who is a terrible player outside of weak side blocks and running the floor. Larry is underpaid IMO for the going rate of big men. He is clearly above McGee and Jordan IMO and he is paid like them.


          I can't wait to watch he and Henson grow together they are easily two of my favorite bigs to watch scary long.


          I read a quote that made me happy the Rockets will play Howard at PF in camp. I have been saying that since the signing that is what they should do. Asik and Howard together
          What's the offense look like with Howard and Asik out there. That will be awkward, surely.

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          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            I totally disagree dude is a defensive anchor. The Bucks were a top 5 defensive team with him on the floor last season and with him off it? Bottom 5. I like mostly everything he does on defense. He does block hunt quite a bit, but even when he does that he affects so many shots the guy is just a menace on the defensive end.
            It isn't that he roams, it's that he simply isn't a quality post defender. Greg Monroe routinely tears into Sanders like a pit bull. He doesn't hold his spot well and he goes for the shot block rather than trying to nudge his man off the spot. He gets backed down way too easily for a guy that's supposed to be a game-changing defender. I'm not comparing him to Deandre Jordan, I'm just saying his defense has more holes in it than it should for a guy that makes his living almost entirely on that side of the ball. He's cut down his foul rate as well, but it's still too high.

            There's a reason Sanders leads the NBA in blocks, yet can't make either all-defensive team.
            Last edited by Kstat; 08-17-2013, 02:22 PM.

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            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

              Originally posted by rexnom View Post
              What's the offense look like with Howard and Asik out there. That will be awkward, surely.
              I've always thought Dwight would be better suited alongside a strong 7fter at the PF spot...

              I think Houston will look to get their offense from Harden, Lin, and Parsons from the perimeter first and look for Howard and Asik to pick up the second chance points primarily... Though some plays will undoubtedly be run for Dwight... But those two on D in the paint will be a scary duo to deal with!
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              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                The Eurobasket starts on the 30th should be great this year. The tune up games have already began Tony Parker was clutch and lead a huge comeback over Serbia. Sounds like Batum suffered a very minor injury. The games start on ESPN3 on the 30th should be a great Eurobasket. On the note of international ball I didn't watch nearly any euroleague last year I am hoping to watch a little bit more next year. Now that Erick Green and Kim English play for Siena I will watch them a lot next year.
                I'm looking forward to Eurobasket and the Americas too, but let's not get carried away, talent wise, this will be the weakest Eurobasket since maybe 1993.

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                • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                  Originally posted by lolwuttermelons View Post
                  I'm looking forward to Eurobasket and the Americas too, but let's not get carried away, talent wise, this will be the weakest Eurobasket since maybe 1993.
                  Give the kid a break, he wasn't even born then....

                  Agree that Eurobasket will be weak this season. Doesn't mean it can't be exciting, just means it won't hold the interest of NBA snobs (like me).

                  The Americas.....that has never, ever been watchable. Argentina beats everyone, and USA beats everyone else (along with Argentina, who can't be bothered to put up a fight since second place is just as good as first). Brazil always massively disappoints everyone after teasing us with a competitive loss against USA.

                  If Canada ever manages to bring their A-list talent, I'll be interested. That tournament badly needs someone else to step up.
                  Last edited by Kstat; 08-17-2013, 02:36 PM.

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                  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                    Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                    What's the offense look like with Howard and Asik out there. That will be awkward, surely.
                    What will the defense look like





                    Just put 3 shooters around them and it will be fine. Asik is a solid passer and great screener it can work IMO. Asik on the floor makes the Rockets better I am sure they will find a way to get him 28ish mpg.

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                    • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                      Originally posted by lolwuttermelons View Post
                      I'm looking forward to Eurobasket and the Americas too, but let's not get carried away, talent wise, this will be the weakest Eurobasket since maybe 1993.
                      Maybe, but I think every team has a story that I can look forward to watching. For example Italy has Luigi Datome. I want to watch him because he is coming over next year. Serbia has a ton of guard prospects who are coming over soon. I think it will be really good basketball. It is a pretty big event that I am excited for. Not as excited as 2 years ago, but it should be great still.

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                      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                        It'll be competitive, but I've seen quite enough of Jonas Jerebko looking like Josh Smith's Sweedish twin to put much stock into how these performances translate to the NBA.

                        On a side note, EUROBASKET needs to be held in Lithuania permanently. Only place that makes sense (and they actually care about hosting it). Maybe let Serbia have it every fourth event.
                        Last edited by Kstat; 08-17-2013, 02:38 PM.

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                        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          It'll be competitive, but I've seen quite enough of Jonas Jerebko looking like Josh Smith's Sweedish twin to put much stock into how these performances translate to the NBA.

                          On a side note, EUROBASKET needs to be held in Lithuania permanently. Only place that makes sense (and they actually care about hosting it). Maybe let Serbia have it every fourth event.
                          Speaking of Lithuania I watched the other dream team for the 2nd time the other day. It is my favorite hoops documentary. It was so well done. Every hoops fan needs to watch it they just added it to Netflix. The footage of a young Arvydas Sabonis is amazing. It just pisses me off they wouldn't let him come over. He was just so special watching how he moved in his 20s was amazing. It is sad we only got him past his prime. He was still fantastic in the games I have watched on Hardwood Classics, but the though of a young Sabonis in the NBA is something that should of been reality.


                          I agree about Lithuania though really good fans and a great basketball country. I love how both the Serbs and Lithuanians play basketball.


                          EDIT: Also the Pacers vs Lakers game 4 of the 2000 finals is on NBATV right now. Next is game 6 then the Kings vs the Lakers.


                          We just called a set isolation for Austin Croshere what is the world coming to.
                          Last edited by pacer4ever; 08-17-2013, 02:56 PM.

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                          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                            Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                            What's the offense look like with Howard and Asik out there. That will be awkward, surely.
                            It's not dynamic, to be sure, but it would be somewhat like when we started JO and Foster together. Asik has to be actively moving or screening to remain relevant and to force his man to stay with him. They can still post with Dwight, they can of course run PnR, and they can still run through Harden. If they figure out how to be at least a mediocre offense with those two, the gain in defense and rebounding could be significant.

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                            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              There's a reason Sanders leads the NBA in blocks, yet can't make either all-defensive team.
                              And yet Serge Ibaka made the first team, despite the fact that defensively, Sanders does almost everything better. I don't put much stock into end-of-season awards. I'm happy when I see players I like on them, but I don't think they're indicative of who the best defensive players in the league are. The best defensive player in the league​ didn't even make the first team this year.

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                              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                                Ibaka isn't as rail-thin as he used to be. He isn't an elite post defender, but he can hold his ground now. I'd put him above Sanders overall.

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