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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • #16
    Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

    Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
    You are making me doubt that you have watched any of the games he has played in within the last 2 years.

    Mike D has to be the worst starting SG in the league. I wouldn't even want him as my 3rd stringer, let's give that to a young player with upside.

    If any of you guys have ever watched "Strange Brew", you know those brainwashed hockey players that skate in circles? That is Mike. He is going through the motions on the routes...
    3rd string? Wow I got no words for that.
    JOB is a silly man

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    • #17
      Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

      Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
      3rd string? Wow I got no words for that.
      You are being kind.

      Assuming Dunleavy is healthy and happy, he probably should start, especially if the team is serious about getting an actual passing game going while reducing turnovers. He also is a scoring threat, which is a premium for the Pacers at the 2.

      His team defense is passable, and with the absence of Murphy he should have less ground to cover overall defensively due to one of the major holes being plugged by just not having Murphy on the floor.

      I just am not sure that Dunleavy is either happy or entirely healthy at this point.

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      • #18
        Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

        Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
        You are being kind.

        Assuming Dunleavy is healthy and happy, he probably should start, especially if the team is serious about getting an actual passing game going while reducing turnovers. He also is a scoring threat, which is a premium for the Pacers at the 2.

        His team defense is passable, and with the absence of Murphy he should have less ground to cover overall defensively due to one of the major holes being plugged by just not having Murphy on the floor.

        I just am not sure that Dunleavy is either happy or entirely healthy at this point.
        It's a good point about Murphy and Dunleavy. I remember when they were acquired from GS, a GS fan said you wouldn't want to play them together, IIRC, and now you can't.

        I'd call Dunleavy's team defense, above average, though. It's playing 2 guard against starters that is detrimental to the team, imo. Not his fault, I think he needs to play the 3 against back ups, moreso.

        The argument is that Obie plays wings and not 2s and 3s, but other teams play 2s and 3s, so you still have to guard those types, regardless what you call your own players on offense. I think this always gets lost when we talk about how Obie sees players.

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        • #19
          Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

          Let's see if Tyler gets healthy and see what McBob brings this year, keep Rush (his stock is down, not up) and develop PG, and keep next year's pick. That draft has a lot of PFs.

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          • #20
            Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Jason Thompson will be a better player than Rush will be. What you see in Rush now is all you are ever going to get from him. SG's are a dime a dozen, and 6'11" 250 lb plyers that average 12.5 & 8.5 aren't. If they were, the Pacers wouldn't be looking for a PF now.

            Next year draft going into a lockout isn't going to be that great. That's why so many underclassman declared this past season... to avoid it. Rush is to match Thompson's salary, and the 1st is to get the trade done. I'd be extremely happy if this trade came about, not to mention Bird going up a notch or two in my view as a PBO. For whatever reason, I have felt all along
            a Kings N Pacers trade is more apt to happen than numerous other trade scenarios.

            My guess is it's not going to be easy to move Doobie Rush now with his preference for weed public knowledge and his forthcoming 5 game suspension, but California has a more lenient view towards that issue. Hopefully, so would the Kings.
            That's fine...we can agree to disagree. I see your point about Jason Thompson...I wouldn't mind having him on the Team...it's just a matter of what the price would be to get him.

            One more thing....with Tyreke, Casspi and Francisco Garcia taking up the bulk of the SG/SF minutes....there may not be as much of a need for a player like BRush. It may make more sense to involve a 3rd Team if there ever was a trade scenario involving Thompson.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #21
              Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              That's fine...we can agree to disagree. I see your point about Jason Thompson...I wouldn't mind having him on the Team...it's just a matter of what the price would be to get him.

              One more thing....with Tyreke, Casspi and Francisco Garcia taking up the bulk of the SG/SF minutes....there may not be as much of a need for a player like BRush. It may make more sense to involve a 3rd Team if there ever was a trade scenario involving Thompson.
              I like Rush a lot, but I think a first in addition to him is still a descent bargain for Thompson. Thompson could be a 20/10 level big in a couple of years. He is only 24 years old and a very good all around big man and will improve rapidly over the next 3-4 more years. I really think Sac would be silly to deal him away, him and Cousins seem like a potential great young tandem down low. But if they would consider it we should jump. I would offer them Rush/Foster and a 1st for Thompson/Garcia.

              I really like Paul George is the main reason I wouldn't even hesitate to do this. I think he will make Rush rather obsolete fairly quickly. If this trade went down you'd still have Garcia, Dunleavy and Dahntay Jones at SG, plus George and Stephenson. That is still a pretty long and promising list of possibilities. So if you replace Foster with Thompson in that rotation up front then we're pretty loaded up front too. Thompson can give you minutes at center as well. A potential three man rotation of Hibbert, Hansbrough, Thompson taking up most of the minutes could be pretty darn solid in a few years. And you still have Rolle, McRoberts, and Solomon Jones as well. Not too bad if you ask me.
              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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              • #22
                Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                Originally posted by Mr. Sobchak View Post
                On offense maybe...Look, I like Mike, but if he's our starting SG then we're in for some trouble. He's a decently savvy team defender but he can't stay in front of his man to save his life.
                Really?
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCAugCB3guc

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                • #23
                  Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                  I'm also in favor of starting Paul at SG and giving him more minutes than Mike, but not right now.

                  Give it a month of starting Mike at SG. See how he does and if he's getting back to his regular self and if we're successful. If not then put Paul at SG.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                    I'd love to consolidate assets like Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, D.Jones, or S.Jones for AK. I like AK's versatile game and he'd make sense as a PF in JOB's system (even though I'm not a proponent of acquiring players on the sole basis of fitting a system). It'd give us a PF for a year and clear up a roster spot so that we can sign Rolle.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                      I think any of the PF's listed would be and improvement for our team, but yeah thompson would probably fit the best, and if Green was a little bigger he would be a all star caliber PF... thats the problem with these tweeners...
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #26
                        Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                        Originally posted by tora tora View Post
                        Wow...It's Matt Carroll...

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                        • #27
                          Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                          Originally posted by TheDoddage View Post
                          I'd love to consolidate assets like Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, D.Jones, or S.Jones for AK. I like AK's versatile game and he'd make sense as a PF in JOB's system (even though I'm not a proponent of acquiring players on the sole basis of fitting a system). It'd give us a PF for a year and clear up a roster spot so that we can sign Rolle.
                          If you're having a fire sale, why not trade Dunleavy, Ford and Foster to PHI for Iguodala and Brand and then use the open spot for Rolle.

                          You pick up a SG and PF, the two spots of need and add Rolle and solidify a lineup for the foreseeable future.

                          Is Iguodala worth having Brand? The 6ers were looking to move Brand + Turner for cap relief, so if they're looking at Turner and Iguodala as equals, it should continue to be an option. The only obstacle may be whether or not the team wants to take on Brand and his salary.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                            Originally posted by Karlton View Post
                            If you're having a fire sale, why not trade Dunleavy, Ford and Foster to PHI for Iguodala and Brand and then use the open spot for Rolle.

                            You pick up a SG and PF, the two spots of need and add Rolle and solidify a lineup for the foreseeable future.

                            Is Iguodala worth having Brand? The 6ers were looking to move Brand + Turner for cap relief, so if they're looking at Turner and Iguodala as equals, it should continue to be an option. The only obstacle may be whether or not the team wants to take on Brand and his salary.
                            Brand is a deal breaker cuz of his age, the size of his contract and whatever decline is associated him since he left the Clips for the Sixers.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                              I would love to have a normal Dunleavy playing the 2 for us.

                              Problem is, he's been anything but normal the past year or two. He's been downright strange. An enigma. A couple of threads have been dedicated to this curious phenomenon. I'm not even sure if him becoming healthy solves the problem completely. It seemed deeper that that.
                              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                              • #30
                                Re: Players who could be dealt before trade deadline

                                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                                I would love to have a normal Dunleavy playing the 2 for us.

                                Problem is, he's been anything but normal the past year or two. He's been downright strange. An enigma. A couple of threads have been dedicated to this curious phenomenon. I'm not even sure if him becoming healthy solves the problem completely. It seemed deeper that that.
                                it came from the grassy knoll..............................

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