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What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

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  • #16
    Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Bologona. Cavs would do HIbbert for Varejao straight up and run.
    Sometimes I wonder if people realize the outside world doesn't view Hibbert with the same rose-colored glasses....

    Maybe the Pacers wouldn't offer Hibbert for Varejao, but the Cavs without a doubt would not offer Varejao for Hibbert.
    Last edited by Kstat; 08-15-2010, 03:03 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

      Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
      I'm not giving up much of anything for a guy who averages 8 and 8 with a 9 million dollar contract for 4 more years ....

      Don't get the obsession.
      Let's just ignore the fact that he's one of the best defensive big men in the league...

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      • #18
        Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

        Varejao = Foster 2.0

        No thanks.

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        • #19
          Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

          Originally posted by Shade View Post
          Varejao = Foster 2.0

          No thanks.
          Sort of.

          V. is a better shot blocker, better finisher at the rim, better from 15 feet. Younger and healthier.

          I think someone as good as Foster in his prime next to Roy would be worth considering. Someone a little better would certainly be worth a serious look.

          But, yeah, we don't have to be in a hurry. Maybe someone will emerge who is far better than both.
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          • #20
            Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
            Sometimes I wonder if people realize the outside world doesn't view Hibbert with the same rose-colored glasses....

            Maybe the Pacers wouldn't offer Hibbert for Varejao, but the Cavs without a doubt would not offer Varejao for Hibbert.
            27 years old, 6’10”, due $7 million dollars next year, 7.7 million the year after that, 8.4 million the year after that, and 9.1 million the year after that. Has never averaged more than 9ppg. Has never averaged more than 8 rpg. Has never consistently held down a starting spot. One second team all defense selection (Not deserved IMO). Has never averaged more than .9 BPG. Shot 57% from the field last year. Shot 66% from the free throw line last year. Played 28.5 MPG last year.

            24 years old, 7’2”, Due $1.6 million next year, Team option for $2.58 million the year after that, $3.65 million qualifying offer the year after that. Averaged 11.7 PPG his second year in the league. Averaged 6 boards his second year in the league. Started 69 games his second year in the NBA. No honors yet in the NBA. Averaged 1.6 BPG his second year in the NBA. Shot 50% from the field his second year in the NBA. Shot 75% from the free throw line his second year in the NBA. Played 25 MPG his second year in the NBA.

            Who would you rather have? If you say the first guy I think you’re full of crap, and merely just sticking to an argument that is clearly attached to a sinking ship. You would really take the guy that is three years older due nearly $30 million over the next four years and posts the inferior stats? I think you’d find yourself in the distinct minority of NBA GMs on that decision. David Kahn might agree with you though, who knows.

            But clearly, I’m just wearing my homer glasses when I say that Roy Hibbert is worth more than Varejao.

            EDIT: I just saw your second addition...let's just say that I disagree with you and I think the Cavs would too.


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            • #21
              Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

              Originally posted by JB24 View Post
              Let's just ignore the fact that he's one of the best defensive big men in the league...
              That's never averaged even one blocked shot per game in his career?

              And if you're truly one of the best defensive big men in the league, you're going to start more than what 7 games last year? I don't care what the rest of your game looks like.


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              • #22
                Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                That's never averaged even one blocked shot per game in his career?
                If you really rate centers strictly by how many blocks they average, you have a long way to go...if and when you ever get there, we can continue this discussion.

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                • #23
                  Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                  Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                  If you really rate centers strictly by how many blocks they average, you have a long way to go...
                  Assuming Anderson Varejao is a center at all....

                  And hey I think blocks are a pretty decent indicator, and the guy couldn't beat out Shaq's corpse for a starting job last season?

                  One of the best big man defenders in the whole league...Somehow I doubt that.


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                  • #24
                    Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                    1. Shaq starts on reputation alone, and nobody on the Cavs was happy about it.

                    2. Varejao's numbers both offensively and defensively are much better at the center position. He holds opposing centers to absurdly low efficiency numbers.

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                    • #25
                      Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                      Originally posted by woowoo View Post
                      Lance or PG for Anderson V? That is crazy....
                      Lance is a second round draft pick. Yes, I'd give him up for one of the best young defensive posts.

                      Paul George is project..yes..I'd give him up for Varejao. We have plenty of young wings, we can afford to lose one.

                      To be honest, I'm not sure Cleveland would do that though.

                      I'd give them TJ + young wing + draft pick for Varejao. And if we got him for that, we'd get a steal. But I wouldn't even think of giving up Hibbert for him.
                      Last edited by Sookie; 08-16-2010, 12:29 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                        Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                        I'm not giving up much of anything for a guy who averages 8 and 8 with a 9 million dollar contract for 4 more years ....

                        Don't get the obsession.

                        I don't get the obsession of a 33 year old injured 1 trick pony who played 17 games last year, either. AV makes 400,000 more this year and is far far better player than Foster! Lets see who earns their salary this year between the two. I know where I'm putting my money, and you don't spell the name F O S T E R.

                        After looking at some of the contracts paid FA this year, Andy's a steal! Plus he can play both PF & C.

                        The Pacers have no chance of getting AV, but it doesn't change the point he's a player I'd love to have in a Pacers uni, even moreso than Landry.

                        Oh btw, AV isn't a 9 mil player over the next 4 years. 7 mil, 7.7mil, 8.4 mil, and 9.1.
                        Last edited by Justin Tyme; 08-15-2010, 04:03 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                          varejao is not worth his contract and there is no way cavs trade him. they are "trying" to beat lebron to a title and they aren't makin moves unless they get way better
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                          • #28
                            Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                            I'd like to have AV on this team but from what I have seen of him as a backup although a very good one.

                            I don't think he is worth the money he makes thought at least not to the Pacers.

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                            • #29
                              Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              I don't get the obsession of a 33 year old injured 1 trick pony who played 17 games last year, either. AV makes 400,000 more this year and is far far better player than Foster! Lets see who earns their salary this year between the two. I know where I'm putting my money, and you don't spell the name F O S T E R.
                              You have fun arguing with yourself. I never said anything about Foster, or liking him, or compared who earned their money more. That's just pointless rambling at it's finest. All I said is I wasn't giving up much to add Anderson. No clue where the rest of this came from.

                              Originally posted by JB24 View Post
                              Let's just ignore the fact that he's one of the best defensive big men in the league...
                              You're going to try to convince me that a guy on a talent deficient team once you get past Lebron on their roster, hasn't been able to start ONE full season worth of games in his 6 year career, but is "one of the best defensive bigs in the league"? I'm not sure I'm buying that. When I watch him play defense I see him flop Divac style more than anything.

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              Sometimes I wonder if people realize the outside world doesn't view Hibbert with the same rose-colored glasses....

                              Maybe the Pacers wouldn't offer Hibbert for Varejao, but the Cavs without a doubt would not offer Varejao for Hibbert.
                              I think you're confusing how fans view Hibbert, vs team execs. While fans might not notice Hibbert as anything worth having, I guarantee you that team executives have taken notice of his improvements and willingness to work.

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                              • #30
                                Re: What might it take to get Anderson Varejao?

                                I never liked Varejao much. I've watched him fairly closely for the past 4 years, and while he's good at doing what he does (scrappy, always seems to be at the right place at the right time) I just find him to be extraordinarily clumsy and confused on offense. No thanks to him.
                                Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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