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  • #31
    Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

    Originally posted by wintermute View Post
    Seems like this team is finding its identity. I thought we were forcing it a little too much to Hibbert and George early on in the season. Now, we're going almost exclusively to our best players (West and Hill), with Hibbert and George going back to their more natural support roles. Bench is also starting to gel a bit. The team has looked a lot better as a result.

    And btw, IMO trying to force feed Hibbert and George wasn't a wrong move, it just didn't work out maybe because those guys just weren't ready yet. Kudos to Frank for having the balls to give the younger guys a featured role, and also for recognizing that it isn't working and making appropriate changes.
    I'm gonna be the fly in the soup......I think that we are getting there....but won't have an "identity" until everyone outside of GH and West become more consistent. The "identity" that I see is "inconsistency" among the overall Team where GH and DW are carrying the Team and then the rest of the Team inconsistently contributing to leads but at the same time coughing up those very leads as the Starters rest.

    I expect inconsistency from the 2nd unit at this point due to lack of chemistry among the newer Players....but PG going 2-11 and Hibbert going 3-9 isn't going to cut it. I don't even want to talk about the 2 airballs ( my God....AIRBALLS ) from Hibbert ( a shot that he was able to at least hit the rim with ).

    Sure, they do great every other game....and PG made up for it on the rebounding and assist end.....but Starters have to be able to contribute on the offensive end on a regular basis.

    To be clear...I am not saying that this Team "isn't getting it" and that I am not pleased with their performance....I'm saying that we need more consistency from everyone so that we don't see these huge leads evaporate when DW and Hill rest. We are getting there...but we aren't there yet.
    Last edited by CableKC; 12-01-2012, 04:16 AM.
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    • #32
      Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

      You know it's really too bad we couldn't pay Nene 56 million dollars to be here. Had to settle for David West. Too bad really.


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      • #33
        Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

        Two thoughts:

        1) I've been telling you guys we were going to work it out... And we're working it out!

        2) Sleep Train Arena is just a HORRIFIC name for a sports venue. I mean, seriously!

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          You know it's really too bad we couldn't pay Nene 56 million dollars to be here. Had to settle for David West. Too bad really.
          Yes, he's totally a BAMFL...the L is for loser.



          God do I love to watch his old school offense, a thing of beauty. He must be kept next year, they would be fools to let him go. He brings that combo of talent and guts to face the challenge. I really hope the retired view of West is of him as a Pacer, not a Hornet.

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
            Where are all the people jumping off the cliff 3 weeks ago? The same ones who said us "sunshiners" were crazy for believing this team would come around?

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            The team is playing better than they were but they are far from "coming around". We are beating mediocre teams albeit on the road but it's some very ugly basketball at times. Lets see them do it against some of the elite teams. Like somebody else already said take away D. West's super performances lately and we would be in a world of hurt. Not trying to be a downer here but some people need to come back to reality as well. I am cautiously optimistic the team will continue to improve but they have a ways to go.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

              The Pacers now have two mature leaders - West and Hill. That bodes very well and should continue to strengthen the team when tougher games come later in the season schedule. Now, whenever Granger returns, he doesn't necessarily need to worry about being a one man team without anyone else capable of carrying the load, especially mentally.

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                You know it's really too bad we couldn't pay Nene 56 million dollars to be here. Had to settle for David West. Too bad really.
                I am not so sure that was a good thing either. If I remember correctly Bird wanted BOTH West and Nene.
                I think Bird was wanting to let Hibbert walk. Who knows how that would have worked?
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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                  1) For God, Don, Don, Vogel, tell PG & Lance to step in or dribble into a 17 footer when they're wide open (since they are both cold as ice from downtown).

                  2) When (hopefully not if) Granger returns, I still want us playing through West and Hill first.

                  3) I love Roy and I'm not questioning him playing hard or anything, but damn we payed way too much for him.

                  4) At this point (dream time here so don't take seriously), I'd give Sactown Roy, Paul, and Tyler for Cousins.

                  5) Still disappointed with the new big three offseason acquisitions. Mahinmi overall has been best so far, and I agree he has helped the interior D on the bench unit. I just wish he could be more consistent someplace else - scoring, rebounding. Maybe it will come.

                  Agustin at least seems to have turned up his intensity level. Looks a bit less like a zombie out there, but unless he goes on a prolonged hot streak shooting the three there's almost no chance he ever overcomes all his negatives. Green? Sorry to this supporters, but don't even talk to me about him. Almost zero contribution unless his three is falling. Hmm... so I guess that makes he and DJ about the same profile.

                  6) Best pickup of the offseason by far has been Young. If all he does on O is hit a corner 3 here and there, I'll take it for what we get in hustle, defense, and physicality.

                  7) PG was good in the non-scoring areas so I give him credit there. But will the guy even be able to average say 12 -14 ppg?

                  8) Wish Lance were more involved in the offense than just a spot up 3 guy. Don't care how hard he's worked on it, it's still not his bread and butter.

                  9) I think Bruno is not comparing DWest and DD in terms of their skill sets at all. He's talking the toughness and attitude they infuse in the rest of the players - a form of leadership by example. Both are/were, IMO, primary catalysts for the "soul" of the team.

                  10) So far a great road trip. Keep it going tonight. Who will step up? Assuming the Beast will not see a lot of minutes after 37 or 38 last night.

                  11) So, if George & Hibbert continue to be average at best / underachieve for another 20 or so games, do they have any trade value?
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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                    Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                    if we had no dave west, this team might have about 2 wins this year.....might.
                    David West for MVP?
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                      If we somehow find a way to win at Golden State this evening, there's a chance we'll not only be back in the playoff picture at 9-8, but also leading the division! Unfortunately, we have to count on losses by both the Bulls (at home versus the 76ers) and Bucks (hosting the Celtics) for this scenario to go down, but it isn't out of the question. Need to care take of business at Oracle first.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        I'm gonna be the fly in the soup......I think that we are getting there....but won't have an "identity" until everyone outside of GH and West become more consistent. The "identity" that I see is "inconsistency" among the overall Team where GH and DW are carrying the Team and then the rest of the Team inconsistently contributing to leads but at the same time coughing up those very leads as the Starters rest.

                        I expect inconsistency from the 2nd unit at this point due to lack of chemistry among the newer Players....but PG going 2-11 and Hibbert going 3-9 isn't going to cut it. I don't even want to talk about the 2 airballs ( my God....AIRBALLS ) from Hibbert ( a shot that he was able to at least hit the rim with ).

                        Sure, they do great every other game....and PG made up for it on the rebounding and assist end.....but Starters have to be able to contribute on the offensive end on a regular basis.

                        To be clear...I am not saying that this Team "isn't getting it" and that I am not pleased with their performance....I'm saying that we need more consistency from everyone so that we don't see these huge leads evaporate when DW and Hill rest. We are getting there...but we aren't there yet.


                        Great post!

                        No you aren't the fly in the soup. You just pointed out how it is. You're correct this team needs to work on being more consistant. I was screaming at Vogel when he had 5 reserves playing together, and they couldn't produce. Vogel needs to have a couple of starters on the floor with the bench.

                        Speaking of the bench, I felt Sam had a reeeeally nice game and DJ was productive as well. Quinn was constantly pointing out the positives of the bench in the game. It's like he reads PD and is trying to offset the negativism felt about the bench players.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                          just better player and ball movement.


                          THIS. And there is still plenty of room to improve on it especially when playing against a zone.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                            Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                            If we somehow find a way to win at Golden State this evening, there's a chance we'll not only be back in the playoff picture at 9-8, but also leading the division! Unfortunately, we have to count on losses by both the Bulls (at home versus the 76ers) and Bucks (hosting the Celtics) for this scenario to go down, but it isn't out of the question. Need to care take of business at Oracle first.
                            we are clearly in the worst division in the NBA this year. It will come down to Pacers vs Bulls for the division winner. I am projecting Milwaukee to fade
                            Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              You know it's really too bad we couldn't pay Nene 56 million dollars to be here. Had to settle for David West. Too bad really.

                              Vnzla admitted yesterday he was wrong about DWest. Although, it is fun to needle him a little about it. He can handle it though. He has to be given credit to his being right about Varejao when many weren't.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers/Kings post game thread.

                                We are a playoff team, but not contending with this group. Maybe if Granger returns and Hibbert and George step up we can bump with the elite. But none of those things are happening.

                                Paul George is a disappointment. This is his third year and he's supposed to be the future, right? Well, 4 points on 2-11 shooting and 0-6 from three point range isn't much of a future. It's time to downgrade expectations for the young man.

                                Lance Stephenson, Mr. Born Ready, may need to crawl back in the womb. Dude got a goose egg and basically contributed nothing.

                                Roy Hibbert, our supposed all-star center, had about as many fouls as points made. He's not a spring chicken folks. If he doesn't eliminate games like this, we don't have the answer at the C position.

                                Seriously, I think these guys should be putting things together by now. Especially Hibbert who turns 26 in a few days and is already in his 5th year in the league.

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