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  • Danny letting the team down?

    Don't mean he isn't trying, but it ain't happening. And the effort isn't what it was last year. Won't be a popular opinion here but I think one of the biggest reasons we are stinking the place up (aside from the injury to Marquis) is that Danny has in no way done the job of becoming the 2nd option on this team. His defense is much less than last year, his rebounding has basically disappeared from the scene, as has his inside game. Finally even his jumper has been AWOL of late. Murphy and Dunleavy are MUCH better as 3 and 4 options than they are as 2 and 3.
    It's huge.

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    Re: Danny letting the team down?

    He is slumping and struggling to push to the next level, but overall this year his game has clearly improved. He's not letting the team down, he's just not the instant star that some fans envisioned.

    I'm critical of his game from the "no, he's the greatest, let's build around him" fanboy attitude. But from my own modest expectations he's progressing just fine.

    I do think relying on him is hurting the team more than fans realize. He's got a lot of development to go still. I happen to think he's on a nice, steady pace. Not unlike the slow growth of Pippen, who took 3 seasons to really start to reach his true level as well.


    I just can't get over how much grief I caught for pointing some of his flaws back in NOV/DEC. Some fans just really didn't want to hear it I guess, or were so worked up about the usual suspects that they couldn't fathom that anyone else might be hurting the team.

    Replacing Foster for Danny was one of the best moves Rick made all season.

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      Re: Danny letting the team down?

      Right now, I don't expect Granger ( at this point in his career ) to be the 2nd scoring option player that we all hoped he would be when SJax and Harrington were traded ( which is different then wishing that he could be a very reliable 2nd scoring option player ) .

      If you revisit this thread in 1 year and he is still doing what he is doing now....then I am more apt to agree. But right now, this post is 1 year too early.
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        Re: Danny letting the team down?

        Danny is right where he should be offensively. Defensively he seems to have slipped a little, but that is probably due to fatigue or the same virus that makes every Pacer horrible on defense right now.

        Jumping from 7.5 to 13.5 PPG is a good thing. Next year will probably be closer to 16.5 - 19 PPG. Most players do have a 3 year buildup in points. Danny seems to be right where I expected him in year two on offense.

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          Re: Danny letting the team down?

          He sure isn't stepping up thats for sure, seems like he is scared to take the shots
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          • #6
            Re: Danny letting the team down?

            Originally posted by aero View Post
            He sure isn't stepping up thats for sure, seems like he is scared to take the shots
            Didn't he drain two threes in the last ten seconds the other night?
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              Re: Danny letting the team down?

              Originally posted by storm1015 View Post
              Danny is right where he should be offensively. Defensively he seems to have slipped a little, but that is probably due to fatigue or the same virus that makes every Pacer horrible on defense right now.

              Jumping from 7.5 to 13.5 PPG is a good thing. Next year will probably be closer to 16.5 - 19 PPG. Most players do have a 3 year buildup in points. Danny seems to be right where I expected him in year two on offense.
              I agree. He seems to be struggling with his block and his dribble defense but I think he's right where he shoud be.

              PacerMan - What do you think he should be doing now that he isn't? No, he hasn't gone into the phone booth and emerged the super player that we would like, especially right now, but I think to say that he is letting the team down is unfair. As we all know, there are a lot more things going on with this team that don't promote the development of a young, talented player. I think Danny needs someone to help mentor him. One of the most endearing traits of Artest was his mentoring of Granger and it was known because Danny talked about how much he got out of those one-on-one sessions. I'll even throw back to Baby Al sleeping on AD's couch. Point being, I'm not convinced that Carlisle has made his development a priority and there isn't another vet on the team that is taking him under their wing. He's just expected to go out on the floor and be phenomenal while everyone else deals with suspensions, legal troubles, injuries, personal ambitions, or their own forgotten development. (Sorry, I guess i was venting a little)
              Yes, he could be better on D, but I need to know that HE's not the one being let down by the rest of this team.

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                Re: Danny letting the team down?

                No, he is not letting the team down, he on the other hand isn't lifting them up either. I never thought Danny would be the first or second option on this team, now or prior to the last trade. Danny will never be more than a complimentary player and to expect more than that is pie in the sky thinking.



                I look at Danny as a tweener, and that is his main problem, too small to play PF and not quick enough at the SF spot, and this is why I think that he struggles on defense. He plays too robotic and not instinctively. I don't believe that the Pacers envisioned Danny being an allstar, just a sidekick for an allstar.

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                  Re: Danny letting the team down?

                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  Right now, I don't expect Granger ( at this point in his career ) to be the 2nd scoring option player that we all hoped he would be when SJax and Harrington were traded ( which is different then wishing that he could be a very reliable 2nd scoring option player ) .

                  If you revisit this thread in 1 year and he is still doing what he is doing now....then I am more apt to agree. But right now, this post is 1 year too early.
                  Talking about NOW!
                  I also expect he'll be playing much better next year. My point is that they made the deal in part because they thought he was ready to step up a notch.
                  That isn't happening.

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                    Re: Danny letting the team down?

                    Originally posted by Smooth_for_Pres. View Post
                    I agree. He seems to be struggling with his block and his dribble defense but I think he's right where he shoud be.

                    PacerMan - What do you think he should be doing now that he isn't? No, he hasn't gone into the phone booth and emerged the super player that we would like, especially right now
                    When the trade was made it was reported that part of the reason was to open up shots and time for Danny. At first he stepped up big time and had some great games. That has stopped. MAYBE because other teams are now giving him some defensive attention, I don't know.
                    To answer your question: Get back in the paint, especially now with Jermaine out. Get some dang rebounds. SHow that shot blocking ability again. Go INSIDE when the jumper has deserted you (and even when it hasn't).
                    "letting the team down" was too strong a statement. I didn't mean to imply that he's not doing his best. Simply that he isn't living up to what the PACERS expected of him.(which you could say about a lot of the team)

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                      Re: Danny letting the team down?

                      Originally posted by PacerMan View Post
                      To answer your question: Get back in the paint, especially now with Jermaine out. Get some dang rebounds. SHow that shot blocking ability again. Go INSIDE when the jumper has deserted you (and even when it hasn't).
                      I agree with this. Although I believe that his lack of presence inside has more to do with the plays being called. He's being asked to be a three point/perimeter shooter when it is not his natural strength. I don't know how else you can explain it when he was always known for his defense. In college and last season. It's the thing he does with instinct, as was commented on earlier. The only way you stop doing what is instinctual is when someone is telling you to do something else.
                      As you can tell, I'm on the Fire Carlisle bandwagon but that's another thread.

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                        Re: Danny letting the team down?

                        Originally posted by PacerMan View Post
                        Talking about NOW!
                        I also expect he'll be playing much better next year. My point is that they made the deal in part because they thought he was ready to step up a notch.
                        That isn't happening.
                        EDIT - After reading your further posts....I get what you mean.

                        Maybe my expectations of him aren't as high as yours are.....but the kid has only played 1 1/2 seasons in the NBA going from backing up Artest and SJax to becoming a starter in his 2nd year. I just don't expect the world of him this soon . That's why I said that this is more of a valid post in another year.
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                          Re: Danny letting the team down?

                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          He is slumping and struggling to push to the next level, but overall this year his game has clearly improved. He's not letting the team down, he's just not the instant star that some fans envisioned.

                          I'm critical of his game from the "no, he's the greatest, let's build around him" fanboy attitude. But from my own modest expectations he's progressing just fine.

                          I do think relying on him is hurting the team more than fans realize. He's got a lot of development to go still. I happen to think he's on a nice, steady pace. Not unlike the slow growth of Pippen, who took 3 seasons to really start to reach his true level as well.


                          I just can't get over how much grief I caught for pointing some of his flaws back in NOV/DEC. Some fans just really didn't want to hear it I guess, or were so worked up about the usual suspects that they couldn't fathom that anyone else might be hurting the team.

                          Replacing Foster for Danny was one of the best moves Rick made all season.
                          I pretty much agree with everything you said.Im a big Granger fan but lets face it at this stage of the game his offensive game is just not on par as a great number 2 option but its coming along.If anything I would be more concerned with his rebounding and defending ability.He was terrific at those two skills in college and even last season I saw alot of promise in that area.This season Granger has struggled in those two areas.Lets not make Granger more then what he is.He has potential to be a allstar caliber player in another season or two.Thats far different then saying hes a franchise player.

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                            Re: Danny letting the team down?

                            No way is Danny letting the team down. He has been doing very well for a second year player, if you ask me. Yes, he needs to be more aggressive with his shot, and refocus on his defensive game. But this team has so many other problems right now. Danny will be fine, just give him time.
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                              Re: Danny letting the team down?

                              My problem with Danny is he playing 10 minutes a night more yet he is rebounding less 4.9 rpg last season in 22 minutes to 4.8 in 32 mpg this season. To me he should be getting 6 or 7 boards a game , his assist have also remained the same 1.8apg.

                              Its nice his scoring has jumped from 7.5 to 13.5 ppg , but I'd like to see the other areas improve to. Danny is Derrick McKey a good player but will tease Pacer fans who expect a little more.

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