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    Pacers' Paul George settling in
    -Mike Wells
    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...ge-settling-in

    Brandon Rush's five-game suspension to start the season has given rookie Paul George an opportunity to not only be part of the rotation but also give the Indiana Pacers coaches and fans a good look at the first-round pick.

    George is averaging 6.7 points and 3.3 rebounds in 21 minutes a game as the first wing player off the bench.

    "It's starting to get better," George said. "I'm not fully comfortable yet. I'm still trying to learn my shots and when to take them within the offense."

    George likely wouldn't be getting many minutes if Rush had not been suspended for failing the league's mandatory drug test three times.

    Rush is eligible to return from his suspension Nov. 9 against Denver, but coach Jim O'Brien plans to continue with a three-man rotation at the wing. Starters Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy are the other two wings in the rotation.

    "Brandon will be the second wing off the bench with a coach that only wants to play three wings," O'Brien said. "There will be times where Brandon gets an opportunity. If Paul is not guarding and guys are going by him, I will sub Brandon in for him in a second. If Paul's turning the basketball over, I'll sub (for) him."

    George's rookie jitters only lasted a game. He followed a 1-of-5 shooting performance against San Antonio in the opener by going 3-of-6 from the field in each of the past two games.

    O'Brien said George is working on developing a better understanding of when to dribble the ball and also working on certain areas of his defense.

    "I think he's pretty far along for a 20-year-old," O'Brien said. "He doesn't get transition defense yet. The other thing offensively is he doesn't understand the best use of the dribble. He can make real good strides if he can improve on those things."

    A demanding workout

    A three-day gap between games allowed O'Brien to give his players Sunday off, then put them through a grueling practice Monday that included a number of wind sprints.

    "We also ran a lot of fast break drills before practice," O'Brien said. "We have to take advantage of it every chance we have to get some conditioning in with more than one day in between games. I want us to be one of the better- conditioned teams in the league."

    Ford sits out practice

    Backup point guard T.J. Ford did not practice Monday as a precaution because of soreness in his left hamstring. He plans to play Wednesday at Philadelphia.

    "He's still fighting the issue he had with the hamstring in the preseason," O'Brien said.



    Ok so no reference to Dunleavy's defense? How about him getting pulled everytime he misses his assignment (yes, thus keeping him out most of the game).

    And wouldn't it be far more productive to give AJ TJ's minutes if he's still recovering? Even if he is being showcased, I'm guessing other teams would like to see him healthy if/when they trade for him. Either the Pacers are trying to show TJ's worth to the Pacers to other teams, actually think it's best to play him, or are letting AJ fully recover before playing him.
    Last edited by Pacerfan; 11-02-2010, 02:32 AM.

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    Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

    Seriously, TJ's hamstring is going to bother him, until he actually rests it until its healed. The Pacers staff should know this. And I'm not even saying this as a perso that would prefer to see Price play..honestly, this is just the truth. It won't recover (and will probably get worse) until it's healed...isn't that going to make him harder to trade?

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      Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

      Originally posted by Sookie View Post
      Seriously, TJ's hamstring is going to bother him, until he actually rests it until its healed. The Pacers staff should know this. And I'm not even saying this as a perso that would prefer to see Price play..honestly, this is just the truth. It won't recover (and will probably get worse) until it's healed...isn't that going to make him harder to trade?
      Yeah, I think you are

      If it's a nagging, non-serious injury then I think teams would rather know that he can play (effectively) through it. TJ has played pretty well so far, exactly what you want out of a backup point guard. I see no reason to make a change until he stops being effective or his injury gets to the point where he can't play.

      As for the article...nothing groundbreaking. I like Paul George's game, and think he has real potential. I hope he doesn't lose all his minutes when our resident potsmoker returns from his suspension.
      Last edited by cdash; 11-02-2010, 02:30 AM.

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        Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

        ^^ Ha ha i thought so too... This is... good news to me. Kinda. I want to see rush but not at the expense of missing paul. I really think Paul will be great one day. And the sooner that day gets here depends a lot on this year... In his case... IMO...
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          Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

          I think that Paul George should be more aggressive. I don't think this will be a problem in the future, but he can really shoot over anyone and get any shot over the rim if he REALLY wanted to.

          As much crap as everyone, including myself, has given JOB, I do think that a Monday extreme-workout Monday is great for this team. This should keep us from getting too arrogant and coming into Philly getting blown out or something completely unexpected like that.

          Oh, and Rush. I do think that Mike has not lost his spot yet. Sure his played like crap, but it's only been three games. It would not be fair to take the spot away from him unless he's doing something unethical on the basketball court or whatever. Have Rush and George be the 2 and 3 off the bench, and give them plenty of minutes and lower Mike's minutes. If Mike continues to play like crap, start playing Rush or George late in the fourth to make up for Mike's bad legs.

          If it were my choice though, Brandon would be starting right now with George being the 2 off the bench and Mike being the 3 off the bench.

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            Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

            I have no problem with this because I believe George is going to be the better player in the long run so he needs to get as much game time as possible.

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              Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

              We have backup at PG so TJ shouldn't have to be forced if he's not feeling well.

              Darren is getting the majority of the minutes and we have AJ who can back him up if TJ can't play.

              As for Paul he definitly looks good and is fitting in well which is great. Maybe we can see him play more next to Danny. Both guys play similar.

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                Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                Originally posted by Pacerfan View Post
                Rush is eligible to return from his suspension Nov. 9 against Denver, but coach Jim O'Brien plans to continue with a three-man rotation at the wing. Starters Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy are the other two wings in the rotation.

                "Brandon will be the second wing off the bench with a coach that only wants to play three wings," O'Brien said. "There will be times where Brandon gets an opportunity. If Paul is not guarding and guys are going by him, I will sub Brandon in for him in a second. If Paul's turning the basketball over, I'll sub (for) him.
                I don't have a problem with him playing a three-man wing rotation.

                I do have a problem with not playing the best three for this team. Start Granger and Rush, bring George off the bench. It seems so easy.

                Similarly, I didn't have a problem with his three-man big-man rotation he went with in the 2nd half of Saturday's game, because he got the right three in there.

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                  Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                  I think Mike's defense has been really good the first 3 games. He gets the lesser wing, but even on switches, he's held his own, imo. Nothing flashy like steals or blocks, but he's contesting shots and helping/switching when needed.

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                    Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                    Originally posted by Speed View Post
                    I think Mike's defense has been really good the first 3 games. He gets the lesser wing, but even on switches, he's held his own, imo. Nothing flashy like steals or blocks, but he's contesting shots and helping/switching when needed.
                    That is exactly what I have seen him not do far too often.

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                      Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                      Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                      I don't have a problem with him playing a three-man wing rotation.

                      I do have a problem with not playing the best three for this team. Start Granger and Rush, bring George off the bench. It seems so easy.

                      Similarly, I didn't have a problem with his three-man big-man rotation he went with in the 2nd half of Saturday's game, because he got the right three in there.
                      Does seem pretty simple. Hibbert, Hans, and Josh 3 man rotation for the 4/5. Granger, Rush, and George 3 man rotation at the wing. Collison gets the lion share of the minutes at the point with AJ picking up the balance. 8 man rotation. No problem.
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                        Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                        Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                        Does seem pretty simple. Hibbert, Hans, and Josh 3 man rotation for the 4/5. Granger, Rush, and George 3 man rotation at the wing. Collison gets the lion share of the minutes at the point with AJ picking up the balance. 8 man rotation. No problem.
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                          Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                          So, based on past experience with O'B coupled with his words to the media, Paul George will either be off the floor or playing 30+ minutes, very soon. My guess is he will be off the floor, which is too bad. O'Brien benches young guys, especially rookies, for mistakes, and George makes a lot of those. He is fun to watch when he has everything going, and not just making shots. He is an exceptional athlete, possibly the best athlete on the team. He needs to be on the floor, with Rush and Dunleavy giving up some minutes to compensate.

                          And, it seems like O'Brien is continuing to play vets through injuries when it is not necessary to do so, with Ford being the one this time. Ford needs to take a couple of weeks off to let that hammy rest and heal. If you can't practice, where practice determines minutes if talent levels are close, you shouldn't be played.

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                            Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                            Originally posted by Pacerfan View Post
                            Ok so no reference to Dunleavy's defense? How about him getting pulled everytime he misses his assignment (yes, thus keeping him out most of the game).
                            Actually Mike Dunleavy rarely ever misses an assignment. Although maybe we have a different definition of what missing an assignment means. To me it means a mental mistake, or not knowing where to be, not knowing who to switch too or switch from.

                            Getting beat one-on-one because the guy you are guarding is quicker, taller, or just better is not IMO missing an assignment.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 11-02-2010, 11:21 AM.

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                              Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                              I am glad JOB is going to keep letting George be part of the rotation, but it looks like he will be on a short leash.
                              I am also excited to see what B.Rush is going to bring to this team. We will have to see how B.Rush plays with Collison(who said he wants to help make him a better player), and how he plays with George. I could see those to two on the court together.

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