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On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

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  • #61
    Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Fouls on smith will open a thread about firing somebody 4 weeks into the season.


    I'm on the record
    I've got the under on that.

    I'm on the record.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #62
      Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
      Yep, they aren't that similar. But a part of me hopes that Domantas can develop his passing ability and his vision. I don't expect his passing to ever reach his father's passing (he honestly is the best passing Center I've ever seen) but if we can get even a quarter of that then we're set.
      I loved Arvydas's game and his style of passing. But if you measure that skill by assists he did not rank very high. I was a bit surprised. Also, Wilt was easily as good or better and had similar presence and command in the paint along with great court vision.

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      • #63
        Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
        That would be awesome but I don't expect Domantas to ever become a poor man's Arvydas. But if he can be even half the player that his father was then we're set.
        I view Sabonis the younger's ceiling as more of an elite role player than an elite star player like his father. Jeff Foster with a skill set, kinda player.
        "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

        - ilive4sports

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        • #64
          Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
          I don't think the Pacers are a playoff team, but they won't be in the running for worst record either. In other words I expect them to be mediocre.

          I would peg this roster at around 30 wins, but I think there's some potential to overachieve, which might bump it up to 35. Wait, does 35 get you into the East playoffs? LOL

          I predict Dipo and Turner to be the leading scorers. Both at around 18 ppg.

          I predict Collison and Bojan will be starters initially, but both will eventually be replaced on account of their defense.

          I also think Domantas is the long term starter at frontcourt next to Myles, so I expect him to start a majority of games this season. If Thad is still here though, I expect he will also start a number of games. I've been predicting a Thad trade for a while, but on thinking it over I could see him staying too. He still fills a useful niche as our best defender against smaller mobile bigs.

          Whether Lance starts or not, I predict he'll play at least 30 mpg and be a major part of the rotation.
          Almost thanked your post because I pretty much agree with everything you said except about Bojan. I really view him as a situational, maybe 10 MPG type player. I think Glenn Robinson III is going to get some serious run next season and start the whole year.
          "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

          - ilive4sports

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          • #65
            Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            I loved Arvydas's game and his style of passing. But if you measure that skill by assists he did not rank very high. I was a bit surprised.
            This is what T-Bird had to show about his passing in college:

            Originally posted by thunderbird1245 View Post
            There is hope for him as a passer, but it’s more of hope from a sentimental fan than it is a true scout, as I remember his Dad as an absolutely sensational big man passer. Occasionally you see some mannerisms from Domantas that he inherited, but is just in flashes. You remember the huge hands that he inherited, but then you realize that he didn’t inherit his size, length, or vision. Domantas plays with tunnel vision too often as a guy who doesn’t see things well from the low block area, but yet just so often he looks comfortable from the mid or high post area. His passing numbers were good (2.8APG), and he showed some skill working in a 2 man post game at Gonzaga. But when he faces up and drives, he sees only his own defender and the front of the rim and has a mostly one track mind.
            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            Also, Wilt was easily as good or better and had similar presence and command in the paint along with great court vision.
            Wilt played in the 60s and the 70s. That's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before my time. Arvydas is largely before my time as well since I was born in 1990 but it's a bit more recent, at least. For example, I can watch him play when I watch tapes of old FIBA competitions. I cannot do that with Wilt. I don't think I've ever seen actual games from Wilt that weren't simply highlights.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • #66
              Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

              Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
              I view Sabonis the younger's ceiling as more of an elite role player than an elite star player like his father. Jeff Foster with a skill set, kinda player.
              Yeah. And we don't really need Domantas to become a star. If he's a solid starter then we're fine.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #67
                Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                Cavs will overpay for a D Wade trade before the deadline - sending 2 picks and expirings to Chicago. Those picks will become top 10 picks once Lebron bolts and Kyrie demands a trade.

                I am on the record.

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                • #68
                  Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                  Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                  Almost thanked your post because I pretty much agree with everything you said except about Bojan. I really view him as a situational, maybe 10 MPG type player. I think Glenn Robinson III is going to get some serious run next season and start the whole year.

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                  • #69
                    Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                    Devin Booker will average 28 ppg.
                    Joel Embiid will play at least 60 games and will be an allstar.
                    Boogie and AD will not figure out how to both put up big numbers and win.
                    Mike Conley will be dealt by the Grizzlies.
                    Myles Turner will start with a slump, trying to do too much. Around March he will start to click and we make it to 32 wins, instead of the 22 we'll be on pace for most of the season.
                    The Orlando Magic will once again be in search of an identity. They don't get one, their younger players hardly improve and Frank will be let go at the seasons end.
                    The Clippers will not make the play-offs.
                    Kemba Walker will be a Knick and Charlotte will decide to re-build. Knicks continue to be a dumpster fire.
                    Lavar Ball won't be on TV as much after the initial highs and lows for Lonzo.

                    I am on the record.
                    Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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                    • #70
                      Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                      Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                      The numbers throughout their careers certainly do not back up this claim in any way.

                      Outaide of a single outlier of a season, Lance has vrrn pretty much an average rebounder.

                      Now, Lance does have the ability to be a positive on the boards given the fact that he will be getting a featured role for the first time in a few seasons.

                      But Paul George has always been a pretty good rebounder from the SF position.
                      I'm not questioning Lance's ability to be a willing and capable rebounder......but I wonder if the System that he is playing in makes a difference when it comes to his rebounding #s. Clearly, how he was used in Indy by Vogel was different compared to how he was used in Charlotte, LAC, Memphis and NOLA.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #71
                        Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        This is what T-Bird had to show about his passing in college:





                        Wilt played in the 60s and the 70s. That's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before my time. Arvydas is largely before my time as well since I was born in 1990 but it's a bit more recent, at least. For example, I can watch him play when I watch tapes of old FIBA competitions. I cannot do that with Wilt. I don't think I've ever seen actual games from Wilt that weren't simply highlights.
                        I actually watched that game in 1988. I thought for sure the Russians would fold, but they had size, skill and more maturity than the Americans. It must have felt amazing for them to beat the Americans, similar to the time we beat them in hockey. I forgot about Sabonis and only years later did I connect the Portland Sabonis with that huge skilled guy I remembered from the Olympics in 1988.

                        Edit: BTW, I am much older than you and did see Wilt Chamberlain play. I specifically remember him best later on when he was a Laker. The coverage seemed to be better. I recalled a game, I think around Christmas one year, I think in 1971. He was older and I was pretty young. I wondered why he wasn't completely dominating because he looked so athletic and huge, but I didn't have the maturity to recognize he was well past his prime.
                        Last edited by BlueNGold; 07-12-2017, 10:52 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                          I don't think the Pacers are a playoff team, but they won't be in the running for worst record either. In other words I expect them to be mediocre.

                          I would peg this roster at around 30 wins, but I think there's some potential to overachieve, which might bump it up to 35. Wait, does 35 get you into the East playoffs? LOL

                          I predict Dipo and Turner to be the leading scorers. Both at around 18 ppg.

                          I predict Collison and Bojan will be starters initially, but both will eventually be replaced on account of their defense.

                          I also think Domantas is the long term starter at frontcourt next to Myles, so I expect him to start a majority of games this season. If Thad is still here though, I expect he will also start a number of games. I've been predicting a Thad trade for a while, but on thinking it over I could see him staying too. He still fills a useful niche as our best defender against smaller mobile bigs.

                          Whether Lance starts or not, I predict he'll play at least 30 mpg and be a major part of the rotation.
                          The only thing I would question would be the wins. I think we will be over 30 and closer to 35 unless someone has a major breakout year, then we could see 40.

                          I am still curious to see how T.J. Leaf fits in. If TYoung and Sabonis are our PF's and Bogdonavic, GRIII and Lance play at SF then there is no place left for Leaf and I really think he will get NBA minutes somehow.

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                          • #73
                            Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                            We'll look like a playoff team by the end of the season but we'll start slow.
                            We'll win 38 games.
                            One of 'dipo Sabonis, or GRIII will be better than we are thinking right now.
                            Two of them will look like decent starters by seasons end.
                            Lance can not be kept off the floor.
                            Myles will be a little better, but show his long term limitations more clearly.
                            PG will bristle as he takes second chair on a still marginal team.
                            Labron shows definite decline and the Cavs miss the finals.
                            We flirt with the playoffs but better heads prevail and we duck them just in time.
                            The hole in our team will have become obvious, and we go into next season with some optimism: an improving roster, and a fairly high pick.
                            I'm on record!

                            Edit, deleted: Paul George comes back as a free agent.
                            He misses being the man. OKC is in treadmill city. Ball is a disappointment. Lakers suck, and our new assets have re-opened "the window".
                            Last edited by solid; 07-13-2017, 01:29 PM.

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                            • #74
                              Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                              The West playoffs are interesting for this game, so I'll play along on that too:

                              TWolves, Nuggets and Pelicans reach the playoffs taking the spots of Memphis, Utah and...LA Clippers.

                              Im on the record

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                              • #75
                                Re: On The Record: Go on the record so when we second guess next year(s) we have you on the record.

                                Bojan Bogdanovic will be the leading scorer on the Pacers. 4 Pacers will average between 13 and 20ppg.
                                "man, PG has been really good."

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