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Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

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    Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

    I've put alot of thought into this since I finally and reluctantly came to the conclusion that Rick Carlisle needed to be replaced. My criteria are as follows, and I suspect that the REAL criteria being used the Pacers is something similar.

    First, Id like an experienced NBA person, someone who has been around the culture of the league. Someone who understands not only the game of basketball but the uniqueness of the NBA and its idiosyncracies. I want someone familar with the officials, arenas, travel and all the other details we dont think about.

    Secondly, I dont necessarily need a person with previous head coaching experience, but I do want someone who has some coaching background. I personally know how hard the details of coaching can be, especially with a team that is in transition and not ready made. I want someone who has experienced coaching and solving coaching problems, if not at the head coaching level, then at least as an assistant.

    Thirdly, I want someone who understands the international game and has connections there. I say that because we will have to be creative in finding hidden gems now and in the future, and while the Pacers have shown a willingness to go to Europe and find guys, the havent necessarily been successful at it.

    Fourth, I want someone who can assist in personnel matters if need be, and has a varied background in scouting, logistics, game coaching, handling the press, etc etc. Bird is an inexperienced personnel man, and a coach with a background in that end of the business that Larry will trust can only help our own evaluations of personnel, both in the draft and in self analyzing our own guys.

    Fifth, I want someone comfortable with the media in giving interviews, in intermixing with the public, and in communicating with players. I want a dynamic and expressive personality to help lift us out of the doldrums, and I think this is especially important since Donnie, Bird, and Morway are all reclusinve and shy type personalities.

    Sixth, since we are on the hook for some of RC contract, I want someone who won't break the bank. That financial situation may not be what we want to hear, but it is realistic. This fact cries out for a first time hire.

    Seventh, I want a head coach who can put together an eclectic, dynamic, and varied staff. I want someone who wont just hire his friends, but someone who will put together the best staff possible.

    8th, I want a guy who specializes in developing young talent. Realistic the Pacers are not championship contenders, and I want someone who can develop the games, of Granger, Williams, Diogu, and whomever else we add.

    Ninth, I want an outside the box, unconventional thinker. Someone who isnt afraid to try new things, new ideas, and live a little on the wild side from a basketball sense.

    Lastly, I want a guy who has great values, leadership qualities, and behaves and handles himself with the class and dignity that Rick Carlisle did.

    Ok, do I have a candidate? Yes I do!


    Donn Nelson, long time assistant coach and player personnel guy, also the son of Hall of Fame Coach Don Nelson. Donnie has a varied background as an assistant coach for Pheonix, Golden State, and Dallas, has been heavily involved in the international game in China and in Europe, and is known in the league as an innovator. He served as interim coach for his father twice, where he went 15-8. He is a great public speaker and is popular with the press, and like his famous father is known as an innovator. Donnie is a coaching lifer who has been around the league since childhood, back when his father coached Milwaukee in the 1980's.

    Donnie would likely bring some of the top minds from Europe with him, as perhaps no one in the league is as connected to European basketball as he is. His background as a scout and player personnel guy would help Larry with his new responsibilities. He has been involved in winning programs with Dallas and in Phoenix, and has served as a scout for USA basketball. He was very responsible for the Mavericks finding Dirk Nowitzki and committing to him, and would continue to raise the profile for Indiana becoming a destination for top Euro talent.

    Donnie is a dynamic young coach who is more than overdue to escape his fathers shadow and be a head coach in this league. His successes and out going personality make him I feel a very strong candidate, and I love his innovative approach to the game. along with his extensive background in many different aspects of the game.

    That would be my first choice, if I were the one hiring for this position. The secret I think is to not just hire the best overall coach, but to hire the BEST COACH FOR OUR CITY, WITH A TEAM IN THE EXACT POSITION ITS IN CURRENTLY. I really feel and believe that Donn Nelson is that guy. Im sure he has a biography somewhere on the net, perhaps someone more computer savvy than I can link you to it. The single best thing Nelson brings tous is his outstanding outgoing personality, charming salesmanship, and unique ability to reach guys you wouldnt thin he could, and to overachieve and max out the abilities of guys while developing guys long term. I give him alot of credit for helping guys expand their games that the most in the public dont think about, like Devin Harris, Jason Terry, Dagsana Diop, and numerous others in his different stops. Donn Nelson is a difference maker, and the best choice we have going forward, in my view.

    Just my opinion as always.

    Tbird
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    Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

    I think we can do much better than that

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      Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

      Hey, anybody who can make Cabbage look good is a-okay in my book.

      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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        Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        I think we can do much better than that

        Thats ok, we can disagree on this one. I do wonder why you feel the way you so, however.

        I think Im putting more emphasis on getting someone who can speak in the public and help market the team, and Im giving more credit than most of you will for his international experience and his pedigree, which is understandable since Im a big fan of his Dad.

        I also know from experience that some of the sharpest minds in the game arent on an NBA bench, but they are in the scouting departments of these NBA teams.

        Tbird

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          Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

          This is defiantly a different idea, probably too different for Bird to think of.

          I wouldn't object to him, like you T-Bird i'm a fan of his dad.

          I just wonder if he would have any interest being a head coach, at least for the Pacers, and I wonder if the Pacers would really ever take a look at him.

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            Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            I think we can do much better than that
            Expand. Who do you think we should hire and why.

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              Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

              Good as any other suggestion out there IMO. I'm definitely a big fan of his Dad's. The outside the box, as you put it, would certainly be refreshing around here.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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                Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                I'm sure UB is questioning his ability and inclination to teach/coach defense and where he'd prioritize it. Not that I speak for UB but I'm putting a few things together....

                What is your take on that aspect of his system and abilities?

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                  Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                  I'm thunderstruck As long as i was reading these points I didn't thought it would be my favorite candidate in the end. As long as i wanted to propose this candidate too, i was afraid that i would be beaten to death here because of his euro connections
                  I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                    Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                    My personal favorite would be Hubie Brown as a one or two year interim guy. While fairly long in the tooth I can see him as a very effective communicator and knowledgeable coach who could be a short term fix. Put him in charge with a core of young assistants. He would need the support of TPTB that he did not have in Memphis.

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                      Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                      I'm baffled at the amount of respect Don Nelson gets. He is a great "season" coach but a dud in playoffs.
                      The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                        Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                        Originally posted by ABADays View Post
                        I'm baffled at the amount of respect Don Nelson gets. He is a great "season" coach but a dud in playoffs.
                        Are you referring to Don Nelson ( as in the GSW coach ) or his son, Donnie Nelson ( as in the President and GM of the Mavs )?

                        I think that ThunderBird is talking about the latter....
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          I'm sure UB is questioning his ability and inclination to teach/coach defense and where he'd prioritize it. Not that I speak for UB but I'm putting a few things together....

                          What is your take on that aspect of his system and abilities?

                          -Bball
                          UB and I share an affinity for defense. I am pretty sure he and I agree on the many positives of one of my favorite all time Pacers, Heywoode Workman, and to expand on that I believe UB and I share the thought of how important point guard pressure defense and wing defense are.

                          I believe that Donn Nelson would be very very good at evaluating talent and help Bird pick and sign the best possible roster. I believe that Nelson would be as good as a defensive coach as the talent he is coaching...which at the end of the day is all you can hope for.

                          I suspect that guys would play very very hard for him. I suspect that his defensive system would be very diverse, and that he'd be willing to try unorthodox things if he thought that would help us.....from "crossmatching" defensively (having a small guard defend a bigger guy and a bigger player defend a smaller guy for example), defending the screen/roll in a more effective way but having the flexibility in his system to match his game plan and ideas to the situation and personnel he has. I think Donnie would play some more creative zones and probably teach it better than we've done here.

                          Defensively, I think a major advantage Nelson brings to the table is his ability to recognize who is a good defensive player in the first place with his eye for talent, and I suspect that he'd hire a top quality coaching staff, which I believe was a big downfall for Rick. Rick's assistants became worse and less qualified each year he was here....I think with his international and USA basketball connection, along with his long time history in the league would enable him to hire a staff that was second to none.

                          All of this is conjecture of course....none of us knows for sure what any of these guys would implement as a system here.

                          One of the above posters made a great point also about Sarunas. When Bird became infatuated with Sarunas, how he was used by Nelson when he was coaching his National team had to be part of the reason Bird was impressed. Its possible that Bird and Nelson might have similar ideas in regards to players and how they can be used.

                          I suspect that hiring Nelson would be lauded league wide and all over the basketball world as a daring and visionary selection. If he didnt work out, at least we'd be swinging for the fence instead of settling for another retread more conventional coach.

                          Just my opinions, of course.

                          Tbird

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                            Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Are you referring to Don Nelson ( as in the GSW coach ) or his son, Donnie Nelson ( as in the President and GM of the Mavs )?

                            I think that ThunderBird is talking about the latter....
                            I was talking about the GSW Nelson.
                            The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                              Re: Tbird opinion: My personal favorite candidate for Head Coach

                              Tbird...could you give me an idea of what kind of any offense Donnie Nelson would most likely run? I was just curious.
                              I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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