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4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

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  • #16
    Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

    Originally posted by TOP View Post
    That might be even worse. Sefolosha should bury jumpers and three's all day if Collison guards him. It's bad that Westbrook has 3 inches on Collison, it would be worse if he's guarding a guy that has 7 inches on him. Might as well not even guard him because he would have no chance of impacting Sefolosha's shots. At least Collison will have defenders backing him up when Westbrook drives. Nobody would be able to help him as Sefolosha shoots over him with ease.

    Sefolosha isn't exactly a world class jump shooter. He does shoot 47%, but those are basically wide open corner 3's. (Think Dahntay Jones). He has also only taken 47 3's in 30 game.

    He shoots 2 pointers at a 41% rate and only scores 5 points per game. I'm thinking his 3pt success this season is partially due to sample size...he has a good rhythm going and he's shooting wide open. Against Chicago, Collison proved he was capable of chasing Korver around and not giving him enough room to set up for a jumper. And Korver is a far superior shooter

    Sefolosha is out there so they have a defensive player who won't take shots away from Westbrook and Durant.
    Time for a new sig.

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    • #17
      Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

      Originally posted by adamscb View Post
      the next issue is how to guard harden. dahntay should be able to slow him down. hill should have no problem with fisher. the only matchup that has me worried is durant. granger can't get frustrated trying to guard the league's 2nd leading scorer, he's gonna get his points no matter what
      He does better with guys like KD than he does with Uber athletic freaks like Lebron and Iggy.

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      • #18
        Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

        The Thunder scare me. Westbrook has simply owned us and Kevin Durant is just something else.

        But you know what? I trust in our guys to come out guns blazing and get a win tonight. It won't be easy, and it probably won't be pretty. But I think we'll find a way to win.

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        • #19
          Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

          Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
          He does better with guys like KD than he does with Uber athletic freaks like Lebron and Iggy.
          very true. i just hope if durant drops 30, granger wont get frustrated and let it affect his offensive game.

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          • #20
            Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

            The key to this game will be George Hill, will he be able to check Westbrook and keep out of foul trouble so that PG can utilize his length against Durant. Granger will check Harden, I have no doubts in his ability to do that.

            But if Hill can't check Westbrook then we'll have to rotate PG over, then put Danny on Durant. Not sure if Hill can guard Harden.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • #21
              Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

              Anybody who can guard Westbrook can guard Harden, imo. Harden is a better jump shooter, but not as fast as WestBrook. And he's only 6'5", not a huge jump for George Hill. And if he can't guard either well, he's still our best defending point haha.

              If Collison isn't playing well offensively, I hope Vogel isn't shy about going with Hill for his defense though.
              Time for a new sig.

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              • #22
                Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                Guys, Thabo is strictly in there because they want to keep Harden as the off the bench super scorer. That's it. He's a defender, that's basically it.
                Exactly.

                On the "who to guard" argument. There are not a lot of people that can guard Westbrook. Actually, the one player that can shut down Westbrook completely is himself. Just let him get angry and make stupid decisions. He is not a good decision maker.

                Regarding the game now. I just hope that we can compete. The Thunder have one of the best defensive frontcourts (if not the best) and I really hope that Roy has a good game against them.

                If Roy has a good game and we compete until the end I'd be happy.
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • #23
                  Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                  Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                  Sefolosha isn't exactly a world class jump shooter. He does shoot 47%, but those are basically wide open corner 3's. (Think Dahntay Jones). He has also only taken 47 3's in 30 game.

                  He shoots 2 pointers at a 41% rate and only scores 5 points per game. I'm thinking his 3pt success this season is partially due to sample size...he has a good rhythm going and he's shooting wide open. Against Chicago, Collison proved he was capable of chasing Korver around and not giving him enough room to set up for a jumper. And Korver is a far superior shooter

                  Sefolosha is out there so they have a defensive player who won't take shots away from Westbrook and Durant.

                  He's out there if a team decides to put a 6'10 defender on Westbrook and a 6'0 defender on him. If the team throws everything at Westbrook and Durant in an obvious move like putting Collison on Sefolosha, he'll knock down 3 after 3 after 3. Some might view it as being one step ahead, I view it as throwing in the towel. You don't put a 6'0 defender on a 6'7 shooting guard imo. If they feel it's worth putting George on Wesbrook, bench Collison. Start Hill or Barbosa. They're still undersized at 6'3 but a 6'0 guy isn't going to bother Sefolosha. He doesn't even have to be wide open, all of his looks will be open. There will be no hand coming at his face to make him flinch. It will be clean look after clean look. Jmo but Collison on Thabo is a bad idea.

                  Fortunately, I doubt it will be an issue. I don't think the coaching staff will put Collison on Sefolosha. Guess we'll see but doesn't sound like a good idea to give up 7 inches and 55lbs to a spot up shooter who can shoot over Collison anytime he chooses. Those passes to the corner are going to be even more open. Collison has no length to defend it.
                  "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                  • #24
                    Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                    A big key to tonight's game is for Roy and most importantly Dan Burke to understand that Perkins is absolutely zero threat to shoot a jump shot. So for the love of God do NOT switch and have Roy try and guard Westbrook.

                    I'd just as soon back off the pick and let Perkins have open 18' jump shots all day than to have Westbrook look like Sonic the Hedgehog gathering coins going to the bucket with Roy in tow.

                    Heck I'd even rather have Westbrook have open 18' shoots than the misery that will ensue if Westbrook can just get to the lane time after time.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    • #25
                      Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                      Cant wait. I really hope its competitive, not a blowout by the Thunder

                      Key to me is rebounds and points in the paint

                      Roy and West need to exploit Perkins and Serge
                      Sittin on top of the world!

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                      • #26
                        Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        A big key to tonight's game is for Roy and most importantly Dan Burke to understand that Perkins is absolutely zero threat to shoot a jump shot. So for the love of God do NOT switch and have Roy try and guard Westbrook.

                        I'd just as soon back off the pick and let Perkins have open 18' jump shots all day than to have Westbrook look like Sonic the Hedgehog gathering coins going to the bucket with Roy in tow.

                        Heck I'd even rather have Westbrook have open 18' shoots than the misery that will ensue if Westbrook can just get to the lane time after time.
                        Let KD and Westbrook "get theirs" and shut everyone else down?
                        Sittin on top of the world!

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                        • #27
                          Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                          **** you Thunder, you're just God's farts

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                          • #28
                            Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                            I would take a wide open Sefolosha jumper every time over a free drive to the basket. If Collison is as good offensively as he's been the past few game, you have to play him. And you can't have him guarding Westbrook every single play. It'll prolly be similar to how PG guards Rose occasionally.

                            I think Collison will have a good game; the Thunder don't exactly play fundamentally sound defense. They play the passing lanes and they depend on Ibaka, Perkins, and Durant to make plays at the rim constantly. For being 6', Collison really doesn't shoot the ball if he's getting blocked.
                            Time for a new sig.

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                            • #29
                              Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                              I said this in another thread but I believe someone's going to get tossed in this one.
                              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                              • #30
                                Re: 4/6/2012 Game Thread #55: Pacers Vs. Thunder

                                I have waited all year for this game (live in OKC), only question is, do I watch from home or go to a sports restaurant filled with Thunder fans?

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