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  • Re: Luck so far

    Let's put it this way, in the past two years Schaub is 11-3. He has not lead a single game winning comeback in that time period.


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    • Re: Luck so far

      He's way better SOONER than I expected, to be quite honest. I expected him to eventually get to where he was yesterday, perhaps a year from now (as a non Colts fan & a dispassionate observer).

      The earlier assessment of him being behind only Rodgers, Brady, PManning, EManning, Brees, Ryan, and Rothlisberger is probably accurate. In five years you likely are concerned only with Rogers and Ryan among those, and Luck will get better. RGIII, Shaub, and Dalton (and just maybe, to my astonishment, Tannehill) could be the ones to fend off. Plus Ryan Mallett.
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • Re: Luck so far

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        I'm not sure what your point is here? Comparing Peyton to Schaub in any way is a big stretch.
        I'm not comparing them. Schaub is a top 10 QB. He's good and yes he has help. But he's still good. Peyton is great but he had some help with Marvin and Edge
        Smothered Chicken!

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          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          I think this is wrong, if Schaub didn't have his running game, Andre Johnson, and an incredibly good defense, people would view Schaub IMO as a Kevin Kolb level QB.
          Kevin Kolb has Larry Fitzgerald (every bit as good as Andre Johnson), yet he still sucks. Schaub is much, much better than Kolb.

          Schaub is legit. His biggest issue is that he tends to crap his pants in bigger moments. But right now he's probably better than Luck.

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          • Re: Luck so far

            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
            This, or just plain IGNORE him.
            YOU CAN'T.

            If you don't like my posting about it, just ignore them. See, it doesn't work like that because other people respond to it, the entire topic at hand gets derailed, and the thread no longer has any bearing on what it originally did. I don't give a **** if I am "playing into his hand" or not, it's bull **** that he's even allowed around here.

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            • Re: Luck so far

              It's important to note that the rough Bears game still has a significant impact on Luck's overall statistics. He had a 52.9 passer rating that day. He was 23-45 with 309 yards, 1TD, 3 INT. But let's look at how other QBs have fared against Chicago this season:

              Rodgers: 22-32, 1 TD, 1 INT, 219 yards, 85.3 rating

              Bradford: 18-35, 0 TD, 2INT, 152 yards, 39.2 rating

              Romo: 31-43, 1 TD, 5 INT, 307 yds, 60.1 rating

              Gabbert: 17-33, 0TD, 2 INT, 142 yds, 37.7 rating.

              So to put it into context, Luck played the very first game of his career on the road against a very solid team that has made life difficult for every QB it has faced this season. The Chicago game still has a significant impact on his stats as there have only been four games. The only QB that has looked OK against Chicago is Rodgers, but even he didn't have a great performance by his standards. Romo, Gabbert, and Bradford all looked awful against Chicago.

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              • Re: Luck so far

                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                Kevin Kolb has Larry Fitzgerald (every bit as good as Andre Johnson), yet he still sucks. Schaub is much, much better than Kolb.

                Schaub is legit. His biggest issue is that he tends to crap his pants in bigger moments. But right now he's probably better than Luck.
                Running game? Defense? Right now Kevin Kolb's team is 4-1 not a whole lot worse than one Mr. Schaub's.


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                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Running game? Defense? Right now Kevin Kolb's team is 4-1 not a whole lot worse than one Mr. Schaub's.
                  Record wise they aren't a whole lot worse. Perception wise--different story. Houston is widely regarded as one of the two best teams in football. Arizona is a feel good story who just got curb stomped by the mighty Rams. Schaub was good before he had a running game. He's been a solid quarterback for years. He's a step below elite, whereas Kolb is a step above atrocious.

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                  • Re: Luck so far

                    Schaub sure gets a lot of credit around here for a guy who has made the playoffs a whopping one time.


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                    • Re: Luck so far

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      Schaub sure gets a lot of credit around here for a guy who has made the playoffs a whopping one time.

                      And he technically didn't make the playoffs last year. He was placed on IR after week 10.

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                      • Re: Luck so far

                        Interesting article...

                        http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...k-start-career
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: Luck so far

                          It's good to see people finally seeing what Luck can do. I've been saying for months now how special of a guy we have, and I know some of my comments months ago seemed outlandish, but I know they were the truth then and I still believe it. He's the best QB I've ever seen come out of college, ever, and that's including Peyton Manning. He has the talent, skillset, mindset and ability to be the greatest ever. His game is so absolutely perfectly balanced and complete, it's awesome. I don't gush about guys like this often, if ever -- most of you know that. I've been posting here for 8 years and for 5-6 years before that on RATS, I've never posted thoughts like this about a player ever. For any team.

                          He has all the makings to be damn near the most perfect football player I've ever seen, and he's still green. That's what you have to do, look at what makes him tick and put it all together and try to project into the future what this guy will be like when he actually "blossoms" and becomes comfortable. As good as he's looked, he's still very much green, young, and inexperienced.

                          I didn't make those claims months ago on blind homerism. I watched him extensively and compared him to everything I've known about this game. To me, there is absolutely no comparison between him and RG3 or any other QBs in this league. It's in all the little things he does, the fundamentals, his footwork, his arm motion, his demeanor and humbleness, his mental traits and habits, his clutchness, his balance, strength, and intelligence. I've never seen a guy this young exhibit such a complete palette of traits like this. It's just a matter of time before he's the best damn quarterback in the entire league. His only mistakes right now are due to inexperience. Once he gets the experience.... it's just going to be friggin over for the entire league. I'm not saying that because I'm a Colts fan and he's a Colt. I'd say it if he was the Jags quarterback. I'd say it because I know it's the truth. I know it sounds outlandish still... it sounds outlandish to my ears to even say it, but I don't know any other way to express it, it is what it is, lol. I thought we as Colts fans had experienced the pinnacle of quarterbacking play during Manning's tenure.... but here we are.

                          It's ironic that this last name is Luck, because there is no luck involved. He's good. You make your own luck. It's embodied by the saying he goes by himself: "Competence over confidence." He's competent. When you're competent, you make plays and you increase your chances of success. The goofballs will call it luck.

                          And of course I'm speaking of the future, not right now, I know Luck is still a ways off from seeing his pinnacle. But it's not far off. 2-3 years. The team likely still won't have caught up to him, but he'll be carrying them. All we can do is sit back and watch and enjoy it.
                          Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-08-2012, 05:38 PM.
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • Re: Luck so far

                            Shaking off Clay Matthews to make a ridiculous completion to Reggie Wayne, down 5 points with a minute left in game #4 of his career.... I mean, come on. That **** shouldn't happen. You guys know this. But it did.

                            The Colts are better than anyone thought they'd be, and it all starts with #12. There's no logical reason why a team with $40mill in dead money, completely new management and coaching staff, and a plethora of rookies and low-experienced practice-squad players should be in the middle of the pack offensively/defensively and record-wise --- all historical precedence says we should be a train-wreck and competing for the 1st pick again this year, but we're not. The confidence they have in this kid is what lifts the entire team up.
                            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-08-2012, 05:36 PM.
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                            • Re: Luck so far

                              Originally posted by Really? View Post
                              Can someone post this article please?
                              Never half-a** two things. Whole-a** one thing.

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                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                It's good to see people finally seeing what Luck can do. I've been saying for months now how special of a guy we have, and I know some of my comments months ago seemed outlandish, but I know they were the truth then and I still believe it. He's the best QB I've ever seen come out of college, ever, and that's including Peyton Manning. He has the talent, skillset, mindset and ability to be the greatest ever. His game is so absolutely perfectly balanced and complete, it's awesome. I don't gush about guys like this often, if ever -- most of you know that. I've been posting here for 8 years and for 5-6 years before that on RATS, I've never posted thoughts like this about a player ever. For any team.

                                He has all the makings to be damn near the most perfect football player I've ever seen, and he's still green. That's what you have to do, look at what makes him tick and put it all together and try to project into the future what this guy will be like when he actually "blossoms" and becomes comfortable. As good as he's looked, he's still very much green, young, and inexperienced.

                                I didn't make those claims months ago on blind homerism. I watched him extensively and compared him to everything I've known about this game. To me, there is absolutely no comparison between him and RG3 or any other QBs in this league. It's in all the little things he does, the fundamentals, his footwork, his arm motion, his demeanor and humbleness, his mental traits and habits, his clutchness, his balance, strength, and intelligence. I've never seen a guy this young exhibit such a complete palette of traits like this. It's just a matter of time before he's the best damn quarterback in the entire league. His only mistakes right now are due to inexperience. Once he gets the experience.... it's just going to be friggin over for the entire league. I'm not saying that because I'm a Colts fan and he's a Colt. I'd say it if he was the Jags quarterback. I'd say it because I know it's the truth. I know it sounds outlandish still... it sounds outlandish to my ears to even say it, but I don't know any other way to express it, it is what it is, lol. I thought we as Colts fans had experienced the pinnacle of quarterbacking play during Manning's tenure.... but here we are.

                                It's ironic that this last name is Luck, because there is no luck involved. He's good. You make your own luck. It's embodied by the saying he goes by himself: "Competence over confidence." He's competent. When you're competent, you make plays and you increase your chances of success. The goofballs will call it luck.

                                And of course I'm speaking of the future, not right now, I know Luck is still a ways off from seeing his pinnacle. But it's not far off. 2-3 years. The team likely still won't have caught up to him, but he'll be carrying them. All we can do is sit back and watch and enjoy it.
                                IF Luck becomes as good as we all hope, I'll definitely say that I heard it here first lol . Thought I don't necessarily agree with everything you--specifically in regards to NOBODY in the league being able to be compared to him or his talent/mechanics-- I definitely think that Luck is slowly becoming the real deal.

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