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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

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  • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown




    Don't tell me this isn't a shot at the Pacers...
    There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

      Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
      No, not at all... But if you want to preserve the rotations, then the foul becomes less important that what it means currently... I simply think that it would be unwise to make a rule just to preserve rotations... I believe that it is an intregal part of the game to be able to adjust when foul trouble arises...

      Let me ask why you think that the fouls are counted?? I believe that it to give more importance to the in game planning and helps to further provide a reason to not foul...
      It's not about changing a rule for the sake of preserving rotations. That might be a side effect, though.

      I believe fouls are counted to discourage too many fouls. I believe this could be done in better ways. Possibly by doing what I've suggested, possibly by doing something else.

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      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

        What are your guys' thoughts on Anthony Bennett? He had a 14 point half earlier this week and a 14 pt game on 40% shooting tonight and now a lot of the riff raff here in cleveland are ready to remove the bust label. i still don't buy it.


        Carmel HS Class of 2011

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        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

          Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
          What are your guys' thoughts on Anthony Bennett? He had a 14 point half earlier this week and a 14 pt game on 40% shooting tonight and now a lot of the riff raff here in cleveland are ready to remove the bust label. i still don't buy it.
          Against the worst defense in the NBA he shot 40% ? :/

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          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown



            that'd be a nice lineup

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            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              It's not about changing a rule for the sake of preserving rotations. That might be a side effect, though.

              I believe fouls are counted to discourage too many fouls. I believe this could be done in better ways. Possibly by doing what I've suggested, possibly by doing something else.
              To each their own... I dont mind the current scoring of fouls... I admit that it can possibly change the course of a game for a team in an adverse way, and it does on occasion... But there are many factors that can and do as well... I dont think that it happens enough to warrant changes...
              Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post


                that'd be a nice lineup
                Seems nice, though I don't see Lillard or Wall as major dunkers, or I guess I never liked the whole bit about this dunk scores more for a shorter player thing. Just looking at this, George and Ross should dominate, and if it's fan vote still, I think PG has it in the bag.
                "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                  If anything I would like to see the charge call more narrow. For example if an offensive player is already in the air, he shouldn't be called for a charge. Also big guys who go towards the basket, and some small guard takes a "charge." Of course the small guard is always going to fall down.

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                    So yeah...the Boogie Cousins vs Mike Dunleavy hatred is real lol.
                    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      It's not about changing a rule for the sake of preserving rotations. That might be a side effect, though.

                      I believe fouls are counted to discourage too many fouls. I believe this could be done in better ways. Possibly by doing what I've suggested, possibly by doing something else.
                      In the 90s, games were more physical. Flagrant foul calls were eventually added to the game. The game progressed, but with even more flopping to help sell "fouls" than ever before.

                      If it's purity of the game we want, keep the flagrant foul system, REDUCE fouls to 5 per game, and liberally begin calling flopping on reviews, only with a $25k fine. If that doesn't do it, begin assessing technical fouls for flopping.

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                      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        I feel like nobody should ever foul out in the NBA. Just start giving them technicals on the sixth personal foul all the time for everybody.
                        I would be in favor of that. Does an offensive line get disqualified if they commit too many holding penalties? No of course not, so I have never understood why a basketball player can foul out. I would be in favor of allowing players to committ as many fouls as they want and not access technicals. .

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                        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          I feel like nobody should ever foul out in the NBA. Just start giving them technicals on the sixth personal foul all the time for everybody.
                          I think go a step further and after 5 fouls give the team getting fouled 1 point and retain possession, then maybe after the 7th foul they get 2 points and retain possession.

                          The reason for the automatic points instead of free throws is due to the fact that dominant centers and forwards that are horrible at free throws would be getting hacked all game long. Who cares if you get a technical and they get free throws, if they are horrible at free throws and you can't foul out then you would just hack away.
                          I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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                          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                            Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post



                            Don't tell me this isn't a shot at the Pacers...

                            As far as basketball is concerned, Lebron is kind of right. History shows time and time again that elite offense wins championships. Sure, having a great defense can get you far and most championship teams have great defenses, but history has shown time and time again that having a special elite offensive player is what leads to a trophy in June.

                            12-13: Lebron
                            11: Dirk
                            09-10: Kobe
                            08: Pierce/Big 3
                            99,03,05,07: Duncan
                            06: Wade
                            04: Glaring exception with the 2004 Pistons
                            00-02: Shaq/Kobe
                            91-93, 96-98: Jordan
                            94-95: Hakeem

                            Then you had the 80's Celtics with Bird and the 80's Lakers and Magic. I could go on and on. NBA championship history has been very consistent over the last three decades. Having an elite offensive player who cannot be guarded is what pushes teams over the top in June. Defense may win championships in football, but offense wins championships in the NBA. Most of the teams I listed were great defensive teams too, but the majority of teams who go far in the playoffs can play great defense since a lot about defense is effort. It's the offensive skill that makes the difference most of the time. You cannot effort your way into elite offense.

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                            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                              The Spurs teams, the Bulls teams with Jordan, and Hakeem's teams were also elite defensively too, though (edit, I see you mentioned that too).

                              I'd say you ought to be top 10 in both offense and defense, with a all-NBA level star to bail you out when needed.
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                                I always say this. You have to be one of the top defensive teams. And you have to be able to get stops late in close games. You also have to be one of the better offensive teams, and you must without any doubt be able to score late in close playoff games.

                                But if someone put a gun to my head and said you could either have the top rated defensive team in the NBA and have lets say the 8th best offensive team, or you could have the 8th best defensive team and the best offensive team. If I had to choose one or the other - everything else being equal and not knowing other factors. I would take the top ranted defensive team. I think that would give you a better chance at winning a championship.


                                Beyond all that, I always figure the best player wins the championship most of the time. (it seems though that the best player is also on a good defensvie and offensive team, funny how that usually works)

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