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Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

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  • #46
    Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
    It was the end of a back to back, on the road, against a very good team who just so happens to lie through their teeth when they say we're not a rival and we just beat them down bad. I saw this as a probable loss, but was hoping against it. PG hasn't looked as good lately and looks tired.

    DRose shot nothing but 3s. That was odd to me.
    I agree. I thought I saw a lot of tired legs. Playing the second night of a back to back on the road is always tough and the Pacers had already won those types of games twice this year. IF we had been able to do it a third time, against a division rival who really need the win no less and is a very good home team, that would have been extremely impressive.


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    • #47
      Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
      Last night was one of those "everything looks like a disaster while the game is going on" nights for me, followed by a "pick it up and move on" morning.

      I will say that I knew we were in trouble when the first series of shots all came short with almost no lift, from Lance and Paul in particular.
      Agreed, and this is where I would have gone to Cope earlier. Solo came in first for Lance and looked completely overwhelmed. I think had Cope been first off the bench with his offensive boost we may have been able to stem the tide, but that would have been a truly clairvoyant piece of coaching by Frank.

      Hopefully though we are now more in tune with the fact that we have a really great shooter who could give us an offensive boost earlier in games on nights like last night especially since Chicago was clearly willing to give us the 3 and deny our mid range game and drives.


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      • #48
        Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

        Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
        If I can quote the great Rachel: "Hey, just so you know: it's not that common, it doesn't happen to every guy, and it is a big deal!

        A team with title hopes just not showing up ?? And not fighting to get back into the game ?? Against a division rival that also has title hopes ??

        Sorry - I can't join the Sunshine Sally brigade that's brushing this game off. Roy was the only one that seemed to know there was a game last nite. And if it wasn't for Copeland showing a little fire, this is a 30 point loss. I would have felt better with a close loss. Maybe the guys got a little full of themselves, watched SportsCenter, listened to the radio and heard all the talk about them.

        Some folks say it's OK. I'll just disagree. Even if it was only momentary, a loss like that shows a lack of focus. And while the first 9 games showed what this group is capable of, so did the 10th.
        Nine game sample size vs. one game right now...


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        • #49
          Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

          Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
          HOW the 2 teams won matters too. The game at BLF was a 5 point game with 5 minutes to go. Last nite, the Bulls got a 10 point lead on the 1st hoop in the 2nd and that was it. Game over. The Pacers were never in the game from then on.
          The Pacers were already up 14 on the Bulls in the second half when the big run happened at BLF. What I mean by that is the score was 77-69 at the 5:16 mark of the 4th quarter, we had already outscored them by 14 in the second half, and would go on at one point to be up by 19 which means that at that point we had outscored them by TWENTY FIVE in the second half. We ended up only outscoring them by 23 in the second half, but that is a butt kicking on par with what they did to us in the first half in Chicago. So the games really weren't as different as you make them sound. The teams just dished out their butt kickings in different halves.

          They outscored us 60-35 in Chi in the first half.


          We outscored them 60-37 in Ind in the second half.


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          • #50
            Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

            I was going to say something, but I think Joe is the only person allowed to post now.

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            • #51
              Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

              Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
              I was going to say something, but I think Joe is the only person allowed to post now.
              Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?


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              • #52
                Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                I always enjoy reading what West has to say. Pretty good article overall too

                Apologize of this quote has been posted elsewhere.

                http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/1...s=iref:nbahpts


                CHICAGO – Nine-and-0 was a lark, a hoot and a flag-planting of sorts for the Indiana Pacers, who made it clear through the first three weeks of 2013-14 how deadly serious they intended to be about this season.

                As for 9-1, where Indiana sits after its 110-94 drubbing by Chicago Saturday night at United Center, it doesn’t look appreciably different from that gaudy 9-0. But it is, if the Pacers want it to be. Instead of riding along on a wave of specialness that buoyed them and grabbed some spotlight as the NBA’s last unbeaten team, the Pacers now are grounded. Sober. They’ll report for work Monday like the blue-collar bunch they are, five months of Eastern Conference grit ‘n’ grind awaiting them.

                “There’s so much that we took away from [the streak] already,” guard Paul George said after his 3-of-14, 12-point performance. “I wouldn’t say it’s good – it’s never good to lose – but now it’s back to reality.”

                Said center Roy Hibbert: “One game. It wasn’t going to last forever. But to me, the season starts now. See how we handle adversity and bounce back. We haven’t been challenged like this. We have to show what we’re made of.”

                Look, the Pacers knew it was going to end and, if pressed for a guess, many of them might have picked Saturday. Both teams were playing the tail end of back-to-back sets, both teams had traveled (Chicago from Toronto, Indiana after a home game against Milwaukee). But the Bulls had home court to protect, had lost the first clash between the Central Division rivals by 17 on Nov. 6 and had their own mini-streak of three victories to extend.

                So they came out hot, hit 9 of their first 11 3-point shots, put up 60 points by halftime on the league’s No. 1 defensive club and cruised from there.

                There was nothing traumatic about Indiana kicking away a game, and maybe coach Frank Vogel truly hadn’t been craving a teachable moment amid all the winning. But he has one now, which can only serve the Pacers well as they chase and get chased by Miami, Chicago and presumably at some point, Brooklyn and New York.

                “It’s so early in the year,” forward David West said. “What I will say about tonight is that, if we don’t bring a certain level of IQ, a certain level of straightforwardness in terms of how we want to approach each and every game, we can beat teams like Milwaukee and whoever else playing a certain way but we can’t beat good teams. Especially in their buildings, playing undisciplined basketball, which I thought we did on the defensive end.”

                Losing one didn’t rock the Pacers’ world. But it did hit where it hurts for a club that draws its identity on defense.

                “I just thought they were too comfortable,” West said. “The ball was moving too frequently around the perimeter. [Derrick] Rose on one side, [Luol] Deng on the other side, back – it was just too much. We weren’t able to put a halt to their business, of forcing them into things that they were uncomfortable with.”

                There was a little testiness late, with Carlos Boozer and Chris Copeland tossed near the end of the final quarter less for shoving than to avoid lighting any fuses. The Bulls resent the Pacers’ ascension last season while Rose was out, the Pacers won’t yield an inch to Chicago or anyone else that wants to tilt at their title ambitions.

                George bristled a little when reminded about his comments after the Nov. 6 game, when he talked of the Pacers wanting to “step away from that shadow as the ‘little brothers’ of this division” and needled a little by telling NBA.com: “Their success is the Michael Jordan era. This is a new age, this is new team. It’s our till they take it.”

                “It was completely taken out of context,” George said. “What I meant by that is, I agree with what Derrick Rose said. It’s no rivalry. We haven’t won the championship. The team to beat is Miami. I mean, all that was just taken out of context.”

                Actually, it wasn’t taken out of context at all. But it was blown out of proportion by some who aren’t used to saucy talk coming out of Indianapolis.

                Nobody has won a thing yet, not even Miami if we’re talking strictly about the 2014 edition of the Larry O’Brien trophy. The next five months mostly will be about churning, and learning, and yearning, and the truest statement of the night came from Hibbert when he said, “We’ll see them again.”

                They’ll all see each other again, plenty, between now and springtime.

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                • #53
                  Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?
                  I don't think he meant it with any malice. It was just funny.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #54
                    Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    Nine game sample size vs. one game right now...
                    It's a 10 game sample size.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                      It's a 10 game sample size.
                      The point being that you're making a much bigger deal out of the 1 loss than you are the 9 wins. If we win 90% of our games this year, and we get blown out every single 10th game against a contender, that would be a very successful season.
                      Time for a new sig.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?
                        Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                        I don't think he meant it with any malice. It was just funny.
                        Ya I didn't have any thing of value to add so I just made a sarcastic comment instead. It was just funny he had 6 posts in a row.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                          Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                          The point being that you're making a much bigger deal out of the 1 loss than you are the 9 wins. If we win 90% of our games this year, and we get blown out every single 10th game against a contender, that would be a very successful season.
                          I'll just counter that by saying that you're putting too much on the 9 wins and not enough on the one loss.

                          And if the contenders are able to blow this team off the floor, that doesn't speak well for title hopes. I just think this one game shows that this is a young team. They got a little full of themselves and got B-slapped for it. The interesting thing to watch going forward is whether they learn from this or not. If this becomes a trend over the season, then I think we got problems come PO time.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                            I'll just counter that by saying that you're putting too much on the 9 wins and not enough on the one loss.

                            And if the contenders are able to blow this team off the floor, that doesn't speak well for title hopes. I just think this one game shows that this is a young team. They got a little full of themselves and got B-slapped for it. The interesting thing to watch going forward is whether they learn from this or not. If this becomes a trend over the season, then I think we got problems come PO time.
                            The only way I could see that making any sense is if we played complete patsies for the first 9 games and then lost when we faced a real team. But that's not what happened. Even if you discount Memphis and Brooklyn as contenders, we are still 1-1 against contenders because we also beat Chicago. Winning 90% of our games is not sustainable; we were on a hot streak and we will lose some games that we're "supposed to win."

                            We lost against a team that should be able to beat us probably about half the time in the regular season. Against "contenders" we are 1-1 and against teams at leats in the running for a playoff spot we are 6-1. (Chicago x2, Memphis, Detroit, Brooklyn, New Orleans, Cleveland). Cleveland and New Orleans may not grab a playoff spot, but I bet that they both do.

                            It's also pretty important to note that even after the loss we still lead the league in point differential.
                            Last edited by aamcguy; 11-18-2013, 10:32 PM.
                            Time for a new sig.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                              It's an 82 game season. Blowouts will happen to EVERYONE...including whomever eventually ends up being the NBA champion.

                              Can't put too much stock into the one loss and can't really put too much stock into the 9 game winning streak. BUT...9 games of a certain outcome is definitely a larger sample size of 1 game of a completely different outcome.

                              Edit: had we made any proclamations after 10 games last year, most of us would have been VERY wrong.
                              Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 11-18-2013, 11:45 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

                                The 72-10 Chicago Bulls lost to the Knicks 104-72. Just and FYI.

                                In the playoffs against Seattle they lost one game 107-86.
                                Last edited by Eleazar; 11-18-2013, 11:29 PM.

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