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The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

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  • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
    I'm not just talking about population. I'm talking about big markets in the NBA. The places where free agents want to go play because its a "big market" The Lakers, Celtics, Knicks and Bulls are the teams that benefit from that. You don't hear guys saying they want to play in a big market and sign with the 76ers or the Rockets.
    That isn't big market.... That means those teams dominate the NBA. It has nothing to do with "market". Your use of terminology is extremely faulty. I showed you the big market teams and Philly is one of them. That doesn't mean that it is a prime destination for free agents because it is not a dominant team. New Jersey (soon to be Brooklyn) will be a true big market team....

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    • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      That isn't big market.... That means those teams dominate the NBA. It has nothing to do with "market". Your use of terminology is extremely faulty. I showed you the big market teams and Philly is one of them. That doesn't mean that it is a prime destination for free agents because it is not a dominant team. New Jersey (soon to be Brooklyn) will be a true big market team....
      Playing for the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls or Knicks gets you way more popularity than playing for the Sixers or Rockets. They are the biggest market teams. Philly certainly isn't a small market, but its no where near the lines of the other four. In the world of the NBA, the popularity of the team determines their market, not the size of the city they play in. Boston is listed below Philly on your list, but which team has the bigger market when it comes to the NBA? Boston. Why? Because they reach far outside of Boston. Playing for the Celtics means you are going to be a popular player. Look at the size of the fan bases, not the population of the city. Philly isn't a basketball town. Football, baseball and hockey all take center stage before basketball does.

      You didnt show me the big market teams, you showed me the most populated cities. There is a difference.

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      • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        Here is a list of the 100 biggest markets in the USA....

        Note that Philly is 4th and Dallas/Fort Worth is 5th. Indy is 25th... This takes the surrounding area into consideration.

        Rank Metropolitan Market Regions / Areas
        1 New York
        2 Los Angeles
        3 Chicago
        4 Philadelphia
        5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
        6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
        7 Boston
        8 Atlanta
        9 Washington, DC
        10 Houston
        11 Detroit
        12 Phoenix
        13 Tampa-St. Petersburg
        14 Seattle-Tacoma
        15 Minneapolis-St. Paul
        16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
        17 Cleveland-Akron
        18 Denver
        19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
        20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
        21 St. Louis
        22 Portland, OR
        23 Pittsburgh
        24 Charlotte, NC
        25 Indianapolis
        26 Baltimore
        27 Raleigh-Durham
        28 San Diego
        29 Nashville
        30 Hartford-New Haven
        31 Kansas City
        32 Columbus, OH
        33 Salt Lake City
        34 Cincinnati
        35 Milwaukee
        36 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
        37 San Antonio
        38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
        39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
        40 Birmingham
        41 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
        42 Las Vegas
        43 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
        44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
        45 Oklahoma City
        46 Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
        47 Jacksonville, FL
        48 Memphis
        49 Austin
        50 Louisville
        51 Buffalo
        52 Providence-New Bedford
        53 New Orleans
        54 Wilkes Barre-Scranton
        55 Fresno-Visalia
        56 Little Rock-Pine Bluff
        57 Albany-Schenectady-Troy
        58 Richmond-Petersburg
        59 Knoxville
        60 Mobile-Pensacola
        61 Tulsa
        62 Ft. Myers-Naples
        63 Lexington
        64 Dayton
        65 Charleston-Huntington
        66 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
        67 Roanoke-Lynchburg
        68 Tucson
        69 Wichita-Hutchinson
        70 Green Bay-Appleton
        71 Des Moines-Ames
        72 Honolulu
        73 Toledo
        74 Springfield, MO
        75 Spokane
        76 Omaha
        77 Portland-Auburn
        78 Paducah-Cape Girardeau-Harrisburg
        79 Columbia, SC
        80 Rochester, NY
        81 Syracuse
        82 Huntsville-Decatur
        83 Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
        84 Shreveport
        85 Madison
        86 Chattanooga
        87 Harlingen-Weslaco-Brownsville-McAllen
        88 Cedar Rapids-Waterloo-Iowa City-Dubuque
        89 South Bend-Elkhart
        90 Jackson, MS
        91 Colorado Springs-Pueblo
        92 Tri-Cities, TN-NC-VA
        93 Burlington-Plattsburgh
        94 Waco-Temple-Bryan
        95 Baton Rouge
        96 Savannah
        97 Davenport-Rock Island-Moline
        98 El Paso
        99 Charleston, SC
        100 Ft. Smith-Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers


        Markets 100+
        Of course Mckeys ignorant a thanked this retarded post about city population, has nothing to do with markets in the NBA and makes your argument look even worse for you now.

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        • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

          Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
          Playing for the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls or Knicks gets you way more popularity than playing for the Sixers or Rockets. They are the biggest market teams. Philly certainly isn't a small market, but its no where near the lines of the other four. In the world of the NBA, the popularity of the team determines their market, not the size of the city they play in. Boston is listed below Philly on your list, but which team has the bigger market when it comes to the NBA? Boston. Why? Because they reach far outside of Boston. Playing for the Celtics means you are going to be a popular player. Look at the size of the fan bases, not the population of the city. Philly isn't a basketball town. Football, baseball and hockey all take center stage before basketball does.

          You didnt show me the big market teams, you showed me the most populated cities. There is a difference.
          Read it again, that is the list of the 100 biggest markets. You don't know what you are talking about..... You have "market" confused with something else. You need a check up from neck up.......

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          • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            7th or 6th was my prediction, I'm leaning towards 6th now.
            I seriously thought you projected us to be a below-.500 team. Did I imagine that?
            This space for rent.

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            • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

              Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
              Of course Mckeys ignorant a thanked this retarded post about city population, has nothing to do with markets in the NBA and makes your argument look even worse for you now.
              Yeah, you really showed him.

              Seriously, man, I can hardly understand what you're saying here. Might be worth a re-write.
              This space for rent.

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              • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                Yeah, you really showed him.

                Seriously, man, I can hardly understand what you're saying here. Might be worth a re-write.
                Was I talking to you? Might want to stop brown nosing.

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                • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                  Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                  Read it again, that is the list of the 100 biggest markets. You don't know what you are talking about..... You have "market" confused with something else. You need a check up from neck up.......
                  Sure those are the top 100 tv markets. BUT we arent talking about TV markets, we are talking about the NBA markets. They are two different things.

                  The Celtics, which play in a smaller TV market than the 76ers not only make $20 million a year in their TV contract, but also get a 20% stake in CSN NE while the Sixers are getting $13 million a year. So which team is playing in the bigger market?

                  The Celtics are the 4th most valuable team in the league, the Sixers are the 17th. The size of the television markets don't determine the size of NBA Markets. This is why the Celtics are a bigger market team than the Sixers.

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                  • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                    Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                    Was I talking to you? Might want to stop brown nosing.
                    Who is there for me to brown-nose to? I was the fourth guy on the forum, behind Hicks, Shade, and Jose.

                    I'm also the resident grammar nazi, in case you didn't know.
                    This space for rent.

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                    • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                      Who is there for me to brown-nosing to? I was the fourth guy on the forum, behind Hicks, Shade, and Jose.

                      I'm also the resident grammar nazi, in case you didn't know.
                      Oh no you did not.

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                      • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                        Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                        Sure those are the top 100 tv markets. BUT we arent talking about TV markets, we are talking about the NBA markets. They are two different things.

                        The Celtics, which play in a smaller TV market than the 76ers not only make $20 million a year in their TV contract, but also get a 20% stake in CSN NE while the Sixers are getting $13 million a year. So which team is playing in the bigger market?

                        The Celtics are the 4th most valuable team in the league, the Sixers are the 17th. The size of the television markets don't determine the size of NBA Markets. This is why the Celtics are a bigger market team than the Sixers.
                        Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. You are using the term "market" but you describe something entirely different.... What you are discussing has nothing to do with "market". You make no sense at all as Hicks tried to tell you.... Popularity and "market" are two very different things but you apparently just do not understand that. By the way, I didn't show you the 100 biggest cities, I showed you the 100 biggest "markets." That includes people living in the surrounding communities........

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                        • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. You are using the term "market" but you describe something entirely different.... What you are discussing has nothing to do with "market". You make no sense at all as Hicks tried to tell you.... Popularity and "market" are two very different things but you apparently just do not understand that. By the way, I didn't show you the 100 biggest cities, I showed you the 100 biggest "markets." That includes people living in the surrounding communities........
                          I'm going to jump in here, because technically, you are right. But the term "big market" is tossed around in a different context in NBA circles. I think for NBA purposes, when analysts or announcers call a team a "big market" team, it means LA, New York, and Chicago. That includes both LA teams, and both NY area teams (yes, the Nets are included). In NBA terms, those are the top tier. The next tier would be something like Boston, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Golden State. The tier after that would probably consist of: Washington, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver, Toronto, Orlando, Detroit and Philadelphia. Sadly, the bottom tier would be: Indiana, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Memphis, New Orleans, Utah, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento. That is obviously just my quick stab at it, and you can make arguments that some markets should be higher or lower, but in general, I think that's how it is broken down in the NBA.

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                          • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                            Originally posted by Graham Mernatsi View Post
                            Oh no you did not.

                            I think this was the goal:

                            Of course MckeyFan is ignorant and thanked this retarded post about city population, even though it has nothing to do with markets in the NBA. It makes your argument look even worse for you now.

                            See? I can be constructive.


                            Graham, I think I can speak for all of us when I say it's hard to believe you've been posting on here since 2006. Six years? Where does the time go?

                            =====

                            EDIT: I'm still chuckling. That "I'm also the resident grammar nazi" line is going to have me smiling all night.
                            Last edited by Anthem; 02-27-2012, 11:52 PM.
                            This space for rent.

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                            • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              Who is there for me to brown-nose to? I was the fourth guy on the forum, behind Hicks, Shade, and Jose.

                              I'm also the resident grammar nazi, in case you didn't know.
                              You would be in big trouble on the Indianapols Star Pacers blog. I see nothing wrong with your statement about grammar nazi. I called a couple of people there Pacers Nazis and I was harrassed forever and I am kicked off of that blog every time I post no matter how innocent the post. Those idiots accused me of comparing them to the Nazis in Germany. I don't think that is what means in a modern contest but they couldn't understand that. There are a lot of people here who have comprehension problems too..... When I said Pacers Nazi, I meant they were overzealous and that they had no respect for opinions that differed from theirs and I held a lot of those opinions as I do here.........

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                              • Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

                                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                                I don't see an option to really upgrade the SG spot, well one that makes sense without taking steps back in other positions. The only SG I can see us getting that would be an upgrade is Ray Allen, who wont come cheap and it doesn't fix the weak spot of the team (which isn't Jones/Price/Lance getting minutes).

                                PG is our weak spot. I see more options at bringing in a better PG than a SG, especially since DC isn't good on defense. I would love to bring in Andre Miller. Good defender, pass first PG, veteran who knows what he's doing, tough as nails. He would improve the team more than any SG we can realistically can get.
                                I see a lot of trade options for a sg. We need a scorer and Lance, Price, and Jones don't get the job done. I'm not sure why you even say they aren't the weak spot. They are the weak spot because they are getting minutes. I guess Larry doesn't know basketball either because he has been going after Mayo, Crawford and even looked at Redd. A lot of you say that DC is a defensive liability and that's not true in the position of PG's. Very few PG's play good defense and most PG gets lost off of picks. If we do need a hand on the defense side of the ball we do have the luxury of Hill.

                                We need a scorer at the 2 spot, period! We also need a quality back up center, which is far more important then a pg in the middle of a shortened season.
                                Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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