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The bench still isn't good enough

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  • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    Varajao on the Pacers would make ME very happy, I just think we can't afford it and that's why we didn't get him already.
    Varejao makes 9mil this year but his contract next year is non guaranteed meaning that the Pacers could cut him if they wanted to.


    Ian+OJ+Cope+pick for Varejao+Miles works.

    Watson,Miles,DG,Scola and Varejao
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    • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

      Trading Copeland is a bad move. Doesn't make sense, Indy invested in wooing him in the off-season. Trading him would be weird. It would also reflect badly on the front office. We can't say he didn't work out, because we never really played him ya know? I am fine with trading the rest though. EDIT out Miles, don't need him.

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      • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Varejao makes 9mil this year but his contract next year is non guaranteed meaning that the Pacers could cut him if they wanted to.


        Ian+OJ+Cope+pick for Varejao+Miles works.

        Watson,Miles,DG,Scola and Varejao

        Now please go to Cavs board and see if you can convince them of this. Then please post the thread to see if this trade idea has merit.

        If it does, then I would say it fits the reasonableness clause.

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        • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Varejao makes 9mil this year but his contract next year is non guaranteed meaning that the Pacers could cut him if they wanted to.


          Ian+OJ+Cope+pick for Varejao+Miles works.

          Watson,Miles,DG,Scola and Varejao
          Seriously, though, why would Cleveland do that deal? If Ian, OJ, and Cope are as bad as everyone thinks, why would they make a trade for a late second round pick or first rounder from 2015 or later? If I'm Cleveland, I run screaming from that - and I suspect tanking yet again isn't really an option, not if they want to keep Kyrie down the road.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

            Originally posted by BillS View Post
            Seriously, though, why would Cleveland do that deal? If Ian, OJ, and Cope are as bad as everyone thinks, why would they make a trade for a late second round pick or first rounder from 2015 or later? If I'm Cleveland, I run screaming from that - and I suspect tanking yet again isn't really an option, not if they want to keep Kyrie down the road.
            I have to admit it that is my dream trade but as always you never know, maybe Cleveland wants more picks? I think OJ has some value, same with Ian, Cope has not value and he is garbage (smilie means that I'm joking).

            By the way think about it Scola and Varejao together? (it means that I'm drooling at the thought of watching those two players together).
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            • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

              My eyes are starting to hurt from all the red.

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              • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                I have to admit it that is my dream trade but as always you never know, maybe Cleveland wants more picks? I think OJ has some value, same with Ian, Cope has not value and he is garbage (smilie means that I'm joking).

                By the way think about it Scola and Varejao together? (it means that I'm drooling at the thought of watching those two players together).
                I can, they would be slow, Varejao has lost a step after coming back, he used to be the Jokhim Noah for Cavs, now he is just a overpaid backup.

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                • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  My eyes are starting to hurt from all the red.
                  You may want to see an optometrist for that!

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                  • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                    Trading Copeland is a bad move. Doesn't make sense, Indy invested in wooing him in the off-season. Trading him would be weird. It would also reflect badly on the front office. We can't say he didn't work out, because we never really played him ya know? I am fine with trading the rest though. EDIT out Miles, don't need him.
                    I agree with you on Copeland and think that he would have served a bigger role in the line up if Scola wasn't acquired....but he ( unfortunately ) is a luxury that I do not think the Pacers can afford given that OJ and Solo on the roster. Unless the Pacers think that they can re-sign Lance for $6 to 7 mil a year ( which I think is borderline at this point...cuz I REALLY think that some team will OVERPAY him at $8 mil a year...which the Pacers cannot pay without going over the LT ), then trading Copeland or Mahinmi ( which I don't think is sensible ) is the only realistic option that we have.

                    I'm in favor of trading Copeland not because he's good or bad ( to me, he is solid 3pt shooting role Player ) but because he adds $3+ mil to the 2014-2015 Salary Cap. IMHO...I think that we need as much CapSpace as possible to re-sign Lance.
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                    • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                      Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                      Here are the four Mahinmi fouls from last night:

                      Mahinmi P.FOUL (P1.T4)
                      Mahinmi S.FOUL (P2.PN) @
                      Mahinmi L.B.FOUL (P3.PN) @
                      Mahinmi S.FOUL (P4.PN)

                      Here are all of the shots within 10' when Mahinmi was on the court:

                      Wade 1' Layup (4 PTS)
                      MISS Andersen 3' Layup *
                      Cole 2' Driving Reverse Layup (4 PTS) (Wade 3 AST)
                      MISS Andersen 5' Jump Shot *
                      Stephenson S.FOUL (P2.T3)
                      MISS Wade 6' Jump Shot
                      Cole 4' Driving Layup (7 PTS)
                      MISS James 1' Layup


                      A * denotes a couple of particularly good Mahinmi plays, and a @ denotes a couple of especially bad Ian plays.

                      Thoughts?
                      Thanks for posting them.

                      Ian had those two bad plays that you mentioned (biting on Wade's pump fake and losing that rebound) but he also had some good plays as well.
                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                      • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                        For those crucifying Mahinmi,, after watching the 2nd qtr tonite other than the bad fouls Mahinmi gave us solid minutes.

                        he had a block on birdman to start the 2nd spurring a fast break. nice offensive rebound on missed FT, kicked out to OJ for a 3 that was missed. had some solid rebounds and made smart fundamental passes. only took one bad shot,,, but to be fair anyshot not 2 feet at the rim is a bad shot for Ian. lol. I don't get the hate.

                        he fumbled one ball away. that's Ian. but at 4M.... what do we expect from a backup center.

                        are we expecting Dikembe D. Rik Smits scoring. Dale Davis rebounding and D. those are all 8+M players.


                        This is based purely upon watching the pacers 2nd qtr for the 2nd time and some plays way more than once. this is not based on previous games etc.


                        I don't care so much about Ians fouls. Except that maybe he should foul them harder.

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                        • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                          Originally posted by PacersPride View Post

                          NUMEROUS times I read you wanted Bird gone. I cant believe you would boldface deny it.

                          I'm not going to dignify that with and answer anymore than I will read the PM you sent me.

                          Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!

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                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            I'm not going to dignify that with and answer anymore than I will read the PM you sent me.

                            Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!
                            Can you diginify it. I rescind the honorable comment.

                            Merry Christmas to you as well.

                            Go Pacers!

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                            • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              Maybe I'm missing something, but if you use Mahinmi and Copeland's salary which are on the books next year to get Varejao, how is that salary going to affect re-signing Stephenson? You have to either pay the salary to Ian and Copeland or to Varejao if you traded for him. The salary is there, it can't go away unless you workout a deal and take back a TE. Getting a TE is slim and next to none.

                              Granger is an expiring, so some of that salary is available to re-sign either Stephenson or Granger unless Herb is willing to go into LT Land which he's been adamant about not doing.
                              Because the NBA has a minimum roster size. If you take salary from two players, and give it to one, you still have to replace that one player and a little bit of salary which makes it even more difficult to re-sign Lance. Splitting 8mil two ways is easier than splitting it three ways, especially when Lance is going to eat pretty much all of it. You give Lance, say, 7M and sign someone else for the minimum you can get in under the LT line. If you have to sign Lance at 7M, and then have to sign two players, they won't be able to stay under the LT.
                              Last edited by Since86; 12-12-2013, 09:15 AM.
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                              • Re: The bench still isn't good enough

                                Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                                more and more I like what butler has brought,,, if his defense is solid than he may deserve minutes.

                                okay whose reading my posts and submitting them to Coach Vogel.lol. in all earnestness, I liked what Butler brought in the OKC game and nice to see him get playing time. His offense is what we are missing on the wing with the second unit. below are Butler career stats. He was a primarily a starter for the clippers as recent as 2010.

                                http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/.../rasual-butler


                                If Butler plays consistently Cope becomes very expendable.

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