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I HATE Daylight Savings Time

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  • #16
    Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

    Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
    It confuses me......

    But we save an hour, correct?
    Supposed to. Funny, eather way there's still only 24 hours in the day.
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    • #17
      Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

      The only difference seemed to be for me that I got a hangover an hour later...or is it earlier...
      You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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      • #18
        Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

        DST had its time and place, back quite a few years ago. But, in this day and age, we do not need DST.

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        • #19
          Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

          DST was great.

          But if it had been central time that really, really would of sucked.
          You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
          All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

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          • #20
            Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

            If DST is so wonderful, why not just stay on it 365 days per year?

            -Bball
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #21
              Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

              Originally posted by btowncolt View Post
              At least you're not here. Sure, we get more sunlight in the morning now. But for the next 5 months, the sun is going to be down by 4pm.
              Same for Chicago. My S.A.D. took a real hit the first couple winters we lived here. But the problem isn't Daylight time, its "Standard" time. I'd like DST to be year-round.

              Now, for Indiana,

              The earth is 360 degrees around. Divide by 24 hours and you get 15 degrees. You are more than 15 degrees west of Boston (71 degrees W)(which isn't even the eastern-most city in the Eastern Time Zone.)

              You've made a business decision to join the wrong time zone.
              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
              And life itself, rushing over me
              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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              • #22
                Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                I'm not going to complain. I got an extra hour of partying out of it last night.

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                • #23
                  Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                  Originally posted by DisplacedKnick View Post
                  Why?
                  I'm guessing you've never lived in either of those 2 areas, though I could be wrong.

                  I live in New Albany, right by Louisville. New Albany is just a few minutes from Louisville, and is a Louisville suburb, regardless of the fact that it's in a different state. New Albany gets the Louisville paper delivered in it, New Albany gets Louisville television stations. New Albany is basically Louisville, it's just in a different state. New Albany revolves around Louisville much like portions of New Jersey do New York, or how northern Indiana revolves around Chicago.

                  Alot of people in New Albany and the southern Indiana area by Louisville work in Louisville. Common sense should tell you that it should be on the same time as the city it revolves around, I can't believe I'm explaining this. It would be miserable for people if they had to be at work at 9 AM Louisville time, but that would just be 8 AM New Albany time.

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                  • #24
                    Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                    Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                    I'm guessing you've never lived in either of those 2 areas, though I could be wrong.

                    I live in New Albany, right by Louisville. New Albany is just a few minutes from Louisville, and is a Louisville suburb, regardless of the fact that it's in a different state. New Albany gets the Louisville paper delivered in it, New Albany gets Louisville television stations. New Albany is basically Louisville, it's just in a different state. New Albany revolves around Louisville much like portions of New Jersey do New York, or how northern Indiana revolves around Chicago.

                    Alot of people in New Albany and the southern Indiana area by Louisville work in Louisville. Common sense should tell you that it should be on the same time as the city it revolves around, I can't believe I'm explaining this. It would be miserable for people if they had to be at work at 9 AM Louisville time, but that would just be 8 AM New Albany time.
                    But, the area of Indiana in the northwest revolves around Chicago. Are they getting to stay in the Central time zone, or are they having to go Eastern? I would wager that more people are afected in that area than the Cinncy/Lousville areas.

                    I don't get wanting more day light in the morning in the winter. Why would you want to lose an hour of daylight at the end when that is when it would be the warmest? I would rather it be dark when I'm going to school/work than when I am coming home and have time in the evening.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                      Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
                      But, the area of Indiana in the northwest revolves around Chicago. Are they getting to stay in the Central time zone, or are they having to go Eastern? I would wager that more people are afected in that area than the Cinncy/Lousville areas.

                      I don't get wanting more day light in the morning in the winter. Why would you want to lose an hour of daylight at the end when that is when it would be the warmest? I would rather it be dark when I'm going to school/work than when I am coming home and have time in the evening.

                      Definitely there are more people in Chicago area than the Louisville/Cincy, but that's not really the issue. The southern Indiana area near Louisville where I live has a pretty large amount of people, and it would be ridiculous for those towns which revolve around Louisville to be in a different time zone. It would be plain stupid.

                      The area in northwest Indiana should stay with whatever Chicago does, which will be stay in the central time.

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                      • #26
                        Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                        Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                        I'm guessing you've never lived in either of those 2 areas, though I could be wrong.

                        I live in New Albany, right by Louisville. New Albany is just a few minutes from Louisville, and is a Louisville suburb, regardless of the fact that it's in a different state. New Albany gets the Louisville paper delivered in it, New Albany gets Louisville television stations. New Albany is basically Louisville, it's just in a different state. New Albany revolves around Louisville much like portions of New Jersey do New York, or how northern Indiana revolves around Chicago.

                        Alot of people in New Albany and the southern Indiana area by Louisville work in Louisville. Common sense should tell you that it should be on the same time as the city it revolves around, I can't believe I'm explaining this. It would be miserable for people if they had to be at work at 9 AM Louisville time, but that would just be 8 AM New Albany time.
                        I was right there with you agreeing until you got to the end of your argument.

                        It would be miserable for people if they had to be at work at 9 AM Louisville time, but that would just be 8 AM New Albany time.
                        Why would it be miserable? What's the difference? There's 24 hours in the day no matter how you set the clock. And if New Albany businesses feel they need to be in sync with Louisville (and Indiana was on a different time) then they could just rearrange their business hours if it was that important to them.

                        That said, I agree it would be simpler if New Albany was on the same time as Louisville regardless of what Ft Wayne was doing (for instance). But I'm not sure why it would be miserable if my clock said it was 8AM but the clock at my employer's said 9AM. Regardless of what the clock says, you'll be on the same cycle. You'll still need the same amount of sleep. TV shows will be on at the same time relative to the sun and moon regardless of the hands on the clock. Do people still have clocks with hands on them?

                        -Bball
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        • #27
                          Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          I was right there with you agreeing until you got to the end of your argument.



                          Why would it be miserable? What's the difference? There's 24 hours in the day no matter how you set the clock. And if New Albany businesses feel they need to be in sync with Louisville (and Indiana was on a different time) then they could just rearrange their business hours if it was that important to them.

                          That said, I agree it would be simpler if New Albany was on the same time as Louisville regardless of what Ft Wayne was doing (for instance). But I'm not sure why it would be miserable if my clock said it was 8AM but the clock at my employer's said 9AM. Regardless of what the clock says, you'll be on the same cycle. You'll still need the same amount of sleep. TV shows will be on at the same time relative to the sun and moon regardless of the hands on the clock. Do people still have clocks with hands on them?

                          -Bball

                          Instead of getting up at say 8 o'clock, you'd have to get up at 7. That makes a difference. People naturally stay up late. It's easy to say you can just go to bed an hour earlier, but that's not always the case.

                          Regardless, it still makes no sense at all. No suburb should be on a different time zone than the big city in which it is built around.

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                          • #28
                            Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                            Originally posted by Kaufman View Post
                            I hate it too... I was on call last night and had to spend an extra one hour in the hospital. It sucked.
                            Ditto for me and the state police.

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                            • #29
                              Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                              Originally posted by Kaufman View Post
                              I hate it too... I was on call last night and had to spend an extra one hour in the hospital. It sucked.
                              Originally posted by Eindar
                              Ditto for me and the state police.
                              Make sure you are on duty in the spring and you will get to go home an hour early.

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                              • #30
                                Re: I HATE Daylight Savings Time

                                Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                                Instead of getting up at say 8 o'clock, you'd have to get up at 7. That makes a difference. People naturally stay up late. It's easy to say you can just go to bed an hour earlier, but that's not always the case.
                                Set your clock to the same as your employer. Problem solved! Even better... Set your clock 5 hours ahead and you can sleep until 11AM and stay up until 3AM if you want.

                                Regardless, it still makes no sense at all. No suburb should be on a different time zone than the big city in which it is built around.
                                I agree with you overall... I just don't understand your argument that got you to that point. It's just numbers on the dial of your clock. The sun is still in the same position when you get up in Indiana as it is in Louisville at that same time. It doesn't matter what the clock says. The TV and radio shows are on simultaneously in Louisville and Indiana.

                                If those things happened differently I could understand why the clock time is bothering you so much.... But they don't so your patterns shouldn't be affected at all.

                                But I agree... just for other reasons... that New Albany and Louisville make sense to be on the same time. OTOH, if someone made me clock czar with the only stipulation that New Albany would have to be on the same time (and same time zone) I choose for all of Indiana then that wins out. Indiana goes off DST (or stays on it year round...EST or CST(?)) and New Albany will just have to do some math or talk to Louisville about synching up with them.

                                As I said, if DST is so wonderful let's just observe it year round.

                                -Bball
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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