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    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/digest_061023.html

    Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling


    By Conrad Brunner | Oct. 23, 2006

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    To the public, Jamaal Tinsley usually presents a stoic, almost sullen, personality. His face betrays no emotion, his words are carefully chosen.


    To his teammates this year, Tinsley has revealed something new. It's south of the nostrils, north of the chin and smack in between the dimples: a smile so bright it's hard to believe the source and an outgoing, upbeat presence as accompaniment.

    "He looks happier, he looks like he's having more fun out there," said Coach Rick Carlisle. "We want the game to be fun. That's part of what we're trying to do here."

    Tinsley has created a few smiles of his own with his recent play, racking up 17 assists against three turnovers in the last two preseason games, both victories. The Pacers open their final week of preseason play Tuesday night against Charlotte in Columbia, S.C.



    Tinsley

    "It's just a different approach," Tinsley said. "In the offseason, I dedicated myself to taking care of my body, hiring a chef, lifting weights and being focused and just more dedicated.

    "We've got different guys, a different type of offense and it fits into my hands. And knowing that it's all on us, there's not any more pointing fingers or excuses. Everybody has got to step up and do their job and hold everybody accountable as grown men, as professionals."

    With the shift to a faster-paced offense, Tinsley's role has become even more critical because he has his hand on the throttle, and that's been evident in the preseason. In the two games he missed, the Pacers were outscored 35-28 on fast-break points and lost both. In the four games he played, they've outscored their opponents 84-33 and gone 3-1.

    "Our season is really going to depend on how well we're able to keep up with Jamaal as a team and how well he runs the show," said Jermaine O'Neal. "He's a prime-time factor. The way he has approached the game this year, the way he's worked out, his mental approach, the leadership he's bringing as a point guard has been phenomenal. He's going to set the pace for us the entire year."

    After missing nearly half of the regular-season games the last three seasons with a variety of injuries, Tinsley set two primary individual goals for 2006-07: to appear in at least 80 games and keep his turnovers down.

    If he achieves them, his won't be the only chiclets in view.


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    FINAL TWO PRESEASON GAMES GAIN IMPORTANCE


    Carlisle
    Having used six different lineups in the first six preseason games, primarily due to injuries, Carlisle said the final two exhibitions will take on increased importance. Not only are they the final tuneups before the regular season, they just might offer the first chance for the projected starting lineup to open a game together.
    "They're always more important because you try to work toward some sort of rotation, although I don't know if we're going to have a real set rotation with this particular team and the style we're playing," Carlisle said. "I just don't know if it translates to that. We're starting to get a little healthier, it appears. Hopefully Marquis and Jermaine can play some and we can kind of make some progress there."

    If O'Neal and Daniels return, and Harrington recovers from food poisoning, it will mark the first time this preseason the top seven players (Tinsley, Jackson, Danny Granger, Harrington, O'Neal, Foster and Daniels) were all available.

    "These next two are very important because we're trying to get the rotations down, we're trying to get the feel with having everybody out there on the court at the same time," O'Neal said. "Tomorrow night and Thursday night are the last two games to prepare for the regular season. You want to get a feel, especially for myself, I want to get some game-time touches and game-time feeling out there."

    The Pacers close out the preseason schedule Thursday at Utah.


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    HOMECOMING GAME FOR O'NEAL


    O'Neal
    After missing the last two games with a sore hamstring, O'Neal will return to action against the Bobcats in his hometown. O'Neal attended Eau Claire High School in Columbia, S.C., and estimated he'll need at least 50 tickets for family and friends.
    "My plan is to be out there," O'Neal said Monday. "I practiced today. Ya'll saw me dunk on (assistant coach) Chuck (Person), and it takes a lot of strength to dunk on a 450-pound man."

    O'Neal has played in just three preseason games, averaging 12.3 points and 6.0 rebounds. With two games remaining before the beginning of the regular season next Wednesday in Charlotte, he knows he needs to get a better feel for how he fits in the new offensive scheme.

    "It is important for me to get out there and this pace is what I like," he said. "Everybody thinks I want to get the ball in the low post and come down and be the guy. That's not how we're built. We're built to get up and down, move the ball and get touches. That's how we're going to be the most successful at playing."

    Marquis Daniels, who has missed the last five games with a hamstring injury, could make his preseason debut against the Bobcats. But the status of Al Harrington is uncertain; he missed practice due to food poisoning. Daniels, Tinsley and Stephen Jackson were excused from practice to attend to personal business and were expected to join the team in South Carolina this evening.

    Orien Greene (broken finger) and John Edwards (groin) are not expected to play.


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    ROOKIES ENJOY THEIR MOMENT


    White


    Williams
    Carlisle finally found the play for Shawne Williams. Of course, he had to call a timeout and draw it up first.
    "He called a timeout because he wanted to get me over the hump," Williams said. "He said, 'Shawn-ee,' – he calls me Shawn-ee – 'I'm going draw this play up, we're going to set the screen, pop to the top and just everybody clear out.'

    "He called that play like six times in a row and said, 'do what you do best: score.' I was like, 'yes, sir. I ain't going to let you down on this one because I don't know the plays and I bet you I can score the ball.' And I scored like five or six times in a row. I feel like that was great for me because I've been having it kind of hard, learning two positions, trying to get acquainted with this NBA game."

    Williams had his best preseason game with 11 points and six rebounds in Saturday's 98-91 victory over Minnesota in Moline, Ill. He and fellow rookie James White, who totaled 10 points, combined for 14 in the fina 5:02 as the Pacers pulled away. Neither had reached double figures in the first five games, but both did against the Wolves.

    "It's still a struggle, still learning every single day," said White. "You just hope you can get better and better. We've been working at the same things and it came out a little bit in the last game."

    It's not like Williams has given up on trying to learn the 50-plus offensive sets. In fact, he, White, Orien Greene, Josh Powell and Maceo Baston spent 90 minutes before Monday's practice running through the plays.

    He wants Carlisle to know he's trying.

    "If he quits talking to me, something's wrong," Williams said. "I want him to keep talking to me."

    Even if he does call him Shawn-ee.
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    Quote; It's not like Williams has given up on trying to learn the 50-plus offensive sets. In fact, he, White, Orien Greene, Josh Powell and Maceo Baston spent 90 minutes before Monday's practice running through the plays.

    No Marshall? I wonder if that has any significance?

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    Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

    As usual......how well the Pacers do depend on how healthy the 2 most important players are.

    Good God.....its going to be a long season.
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      Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

      "I practiced today. Ya'll saw me dunk on (assistant coach) Chuck (Person), and it takes a lot of strength to dunk on a 450-pound man."

      LMAO God is a funny dude

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      • #4
        Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

        I think that the only thing that Marshall absense indicates is that White was playing the SG role in that unit. 6 guys cannot run through sets.
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        • #5
          Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

          "He said, 'Shawn-ee,' – he calls me Shawn-ee – 'I'm going draw this play up, we're going to set the screen, pop to the top and just everybody clear out.'"
          That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

          Our coach doesn't know the name of our first-round draft choice. I guess Shawne wasn't Rick's pick.
          This space for rent.

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            Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
            That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

            Our coach doesn't know the name of our first-round draft choice. I guess Shawne wasn't Rick's pick.
            Uh, I'm guessing that Rick is joking about the silent E in his name, not that he doesn't actually know better.

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            • #7
              Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

              Originally posted by jjbjjbjjb View Post
              Uh, I'm guessing that Rick is joking about the silent E in his name, not that he doesn't actually know better.
              Actually, I really think that he doesn't know better here.

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              • #8
                Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                Actually, I really think that he doesn't know better here.
                That's how it sounds.
                This space for rent.

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                • #9
                  Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                  Gotta love Shawne Williams. And yes, I think Carlisle does it intentionally, like saying "Pauly" or "Bobby". I'm pretty sure Carlisle heard his name enough times before during and right after draft day to know that it's pronounced without the "e".

                  The Tinsley stuff sounds great. But we all know how that goes. I am gonna be optimistic, though. I really truly hope that this guy can stay healthy for the majority of the season. O'Neal isn't lying when he says Tinsley is the guy that makes the team. The healthier Tinsley is, the more games the Pacers will win.

                  Also I am not surprised to see Carlisle saying there really aren't set rotations apart from the starting unit. There isn't really a "2nd unit" and emergency unit. Everyone on the bench will get somewhat regular PT. Everyone can score (other than Foster), and this keeps the players fresh and hopefully injury free.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                    Strange you guys are juding carlisle's intelligence on this post and are afraid of the season very strange.

                    All i read was an article that made me kind of warm inside, enojyed it, just hope it all works out.

                    nice fuzzy feelings
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                    • #11
                      Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                      That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

                      Our coach doesn't know the name of our first-round draft choice. I guess Shawne wasn't Rick's pick.
                      He calls Stephen - Jack and Steve. Guess he doesnt know his name either.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                        Originally posted by Conrad Brunner, quoting Shawne Williams, quoting Rick Carlisle
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                        We're going to set the screen, pop to the top and just everybody clear out.

                        He called that play like six times in a row
                        It is preseason, and repeating sets and plays helps the players learn them, and Williams needed help getting his confidence. So there is no reason to doubt Carlisle's commitment to the new offense, no reason to suppose the Pacers are going to revert back to the slow-down, clear-out, isolation plays. Heck there's no reason to.....

                        Aw forget it.
                        And I won't be here to see the day
                        It all dries up and blows away
                        I'd hang around just to see
                        But they never had much use for me
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                        • #13
                          Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                          says Tinsley: "We've got different guys, a different type of offense and it fits into my hands. And knowing that it's all on us, there's not any more pointing fingers or excuses. Everybody has got to step up and do their job and hold everybody accountable as grown men, as professionals."

                          so close to the catch phrase...so close

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                          • #14
                            Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                            So I'll ask the question nobody else is asking... why is Tinsley happier now? Is it because we're running a new offense? Or is there more to it?
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                            • #15
                              Re: Brunner} Tinsley’s Play Has Pacers Smiling

                              To his teammates this year, Tinsley has revealed something new. It's south of the nostrils, north of the chin and smack in between the dimples:
                              Was I the only one thinking: "Wait...That's not where you get a sinus infection"

                              I kid...Jamaal...I kid. And good work getting the weight off. Looks like this chef did a lot more than the Chef Boyardee you'd been getting with the last few years..
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