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.500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

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  • #16
    Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

    I admire you.

    Last year, I didn't even bother starting my yearly magic number thread.

    Might need to this year, though.
    This space for rent.

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    • #17
      Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

      This is a really good post. Thanks for the effort. After Vogel was hired, I opened up the schedule and did some mental math on where I thought the team might end up as best case scenario. But I definitely did not put this type of thought or work into it. For some reason the "Thanks for this helpful post" button is not appearing for me on your original post, but you deserve it. Let's see if this year's your charmed year.

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      • #18
        Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

        Originally posted by Phree Refill View Post
        The Cleveland win was our first of Group A. Glad to see we were able to grind that one out. Hopefully we can get Group A win number 2 Friday against Portland.

        As it stands we are:

        1-0 against Group A (9-4)
        1-2 against Group B (9-9)
        1-0 against Group C (4-2)
        0-0 against Group D (3-1)

        *Note record in parenthesis is what I projected us to be against that group.

        Group A (teams Pacers face 1 time the rest of the season): Cleveland(W), Portland, Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Memphis, Sacramento, New Orleans, Atlanta

        1-0 against Group A (9-4)

        Group B (teams Pacers face 2 times the rest of the season): Orlando(1L), Chicago(1L), Toronto(1W), Miami, Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Washington, Boston

        1-2 against Group B (9-9)

        Group C (teams Pacers face 3 times the rest of the season): New York and New Jersey(1W)

        1-0 against Group C (4-2)

        Group D (teams Pacers face 4 times the rest of the season): Detroit

        0-0 against Group D (3-1)
        wow this is awesome.... i can see us on the B, C, and D record but for group A thats going to be tough.... and in group D there is no reason we should lose to detroit at all

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        • #19
          Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

          Originally posted by MTM View Post
          This is a really good post. Thanks for the effort. After Vogel was hired, I opened up the schedule and did some mental math on where I thought the team might end up as best case scenario. But I definitely did not put this type of thought or work into it. For some reason the "Thanks for this helpful post" button is not appearing for me on your original post, but you deserve it. Let's see if this year's your charmed year.
          This.

          I also can't find the "thank" button for the original post, but this thread is the shizz.
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          • #20
            Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

            Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
            This.

            I also can't find the "thank" button for the original post, but this thread is the shizz.

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            • #21
              Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

              Very enjoyable win tonight. I liked how Tyler got under the Blazers' skin. On a few plays before Andre Miller shoved him, Joel Pryzbilla was staring Tyler down after Tyler drew a foul on him. Its little plays like those that make me glad Tyler is on our team and not our opposition. Though he didn't score much, Paul George had some jaw dropping plays. That ISO at the end of the third was awesome. I could get used to seeing that more often. Great start to Group A.

              As it stands we are:

              2-0 against Group A (9-4)
              1-2 against Group B (9-9)
              1-0 against Group C (4-2)
              0-0 against Group D (3-1)

              *Note record in parenthesis is what I projected us to be against that group.

              Group A (teams Pacers face 1 time the rest of the season): Cleveland(W), Portland(W), Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Memphis, Sacramento, New Orleans, Atlanta

              2-0 against Group A (9-4)

              Group B (teams Pacers face 2 times the rest of the season): Orlando(1L), Chicago(1L), Toronto(1W), Miami, Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Washington, Boston

              1-2 against Group B (9-9)

              Group C (teams Pacers face 3 times the rest of the season): New York and New Jersey(1W)

              1-0 against Group C (4-2)

              Group D (teams Pacers face 4 times the rest of the season): Detroit

              0-0 against Group D (3-1)

              I think Sunday's game at Jersey will be a tough one. Hopefully we show up Sunday with the same defensive effort we had tonight.
              Last edited by Phree Refill; 02-04-2011, 11:25 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                Props to Phree Refill ! Was not possible with JOB, still not sure if it's possible, but I appreciate your effort.

                P.S. Love your avatar.
                "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                • #23
                  Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                  Should be updated after every game. Where ya at Refill?

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                  • #24
                    Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                    Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                    Should be updated after every game. Where ya at Refill?
                    lol I still have till 7:30 tomorrow evening to get the update in...
                    Actually I was occupied with Super Bowl party stuff yesterday so I apologize for not updating the thread in a timely manner. I can promise you however that for all the remaining games I will at least have the thread updated with the previous game's results before we take the floor for the next game.... at least so long as .500 is mathematically possible.

                    For the third time I find myself wanting to comment on Paul George but before I do I'm gonna take a little detour. Because the game was not televised locally yesterday, I had to listen to it on the radio. It brought back fond memories from when I was a kid. We had neither cable or satellite in my house so the only way for me to stay connected to the team was to listen to the games on the radio. Listening to Mark and Slick yesterday made me realize how much I missed listening to them. I always admire the level of sophistication Mark brings to his commentary that is rarely seen in broadcasting and Slick's blatant honesty and straight shooter personality compliments Mark perfectly. They truly are one of a kind in the business and we're lucky to have them.

                    Anyway, what that has to do with Paul George is not long after he made his "swashbuckling drive," Mark made a comment that he thought George has the potential to be the best player to dawn a Pacers jersey he's seen in his 22 years as the voice of the Pacers. I thought that was incredible considering we've had some very talented players come through here in the last 22 years. At varying times I would say that we had a player that was top 10 talent in the league. Perhaps even top 5 talent if you consider the fact that Jermaine finished 3rd in MVP voting in the 03-04 season. So to be able to derive that kind of assessment from a kid that has only played 27 games is quite impressive.

                    Our 4 game win streak has catapulted us back into the playoff hunt for the first time in 4 years. WE control our own destiny. If we take care of business on our end from here on out we WILL be in the playoffs and that, my friends, is something to be excited about. Terrific start to Goup C. Halfway to reaching our goal for that group.

                    As it stands we are:

                    2-0 against Group A (9-4)
                    1-2 against Group B (9-9)
                    2-0 against Group C (4-2)
                    0-0 against Group D (3-1)

                    *Note record in parenthesis is what I projected us to be against that group.

                    Group A (teams Pacers face 1 time the rest of the season): Cleveland(W), Portland(W), Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Memphis, Sacramento, New Orleans, Atlanta

                    2-0 against Group A (9-4)

                    Group B (teams Pacers face 2 times the rest of the season): Orlando(1L), Chicago(1L), Toronto(1W), Miami, Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Washington, Boston

                    1-2 against Group B (9-9)

                    Group C (teams Pacers face 3 times the rest of the season): New York and New Jersey(2W)

                    2-0 against Group C (4-2)

                    Group D (teams Pacers face 4 times the rest of the season): Detroit

                    0-0 against Group D (3-1)

                    Tomorrow's game is a measuring stick game against Miami. They've finally started performing up to expectations. I did not allot for us to win either of our remaining games against the Heat but if we play hard for 48 minutes and keep the game close we just may be able to steal a game right out from under their nose in their own house. Bring on the Heat. GO PACERS!!!

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                    • #25
                      Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                      What a game last night. I felt like that was probably the most intense game we have played in the past 4 years. It didn't just have playoff feel to it but it felt like it was a game 7 of the NBA finals. I don't recall seeing one single smile on Lebron's face all game which I found to be out of character for him. He seemed to have this focus about him that I wasn't used to seeing. If someone were to tell me we'd be down 3 with the ball and 8 seconds left before that game started, I would have already been satisfied because that means our guys had to of played with great effort. It was obvious the Heat were fighting with all their might and we almost were too much for them to handle. And I can't help but think that we weren't even performing to the best of our ability. I think this team still has another level or two they can achieve and if we do, we're gonna be downright scary. Roy's tweet after the game was also encouraging because it sounds like the players aren't too down on themselves after the loss. Hard fought close losses to elite teams are much easier for me to swallow than blowouts or close losses to cellar dwellers.

                      As it stands we are:

                      2-0 against Group A (9-4)
                      1-3 against Group B (9-9)
                      2-0 against Group C (4-2)
                      0-0 against Group D (3-1)

                      *Note record in parenthesis is what I projected us to be against that group.

                      Group A (teams Pacers face 1 time the rest of the season): Cleveland(W), Portland(W), Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Memphis, Sacramento, New Orleans, Atlanta

                      2-0 against Group A (9-4)

                      Group B (teams Pacers face 2 times the rest of the season): Orlando(1L), Chicago(1L), Toronto(1W), Miami(1L), Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Washington, Boston

                      1-3 against Group B (9-9)

                      Group C (teams Pacers face 3 times the rest of the season): New York and New Jersey(2W)

                      2-0 against Group C (4-2)

                      Group D (teams Pacers face 4 times the rest of the season): Detroit

                      0-0 against Group D (3-1)

                      Lets take our frustrations out on the Bobcats tonight. If we take last night's effort and apply it against a mediocre team I'll be very curious to see what the outcome is.

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                      • #26
                        Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                        I still think it is going to be very difficult to get back to .500 and finish the season 41-41. From 17-27 that would mean the pacers would have to go 24-14 to finish the season or a 64% winning % or a 52 game winning pace. Pacers are not a 52 win team

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                        • #27
                          Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                          Sending in this update from hooters just outside conseco. Amazed Stephen Jackson didn't get that foul call at the end. It happened right in front of my section and it appeared to me he sufficiently drew contact. I'll take any break the refs give us though. GO PACERS!

                          As it stands we are:

                          2-0 against Group A (9-4)
                          2-3 against Group B (9-9)
                          2-0 against Group C (4-2)
                          0-0 against Group D (3-1)

                          *Note record in parenthesis is what I projected us to be against that group.

                          Group A (teams Pacers face 1 time the rest of the season): Cleveland(W), Portland(W), Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Memphis, Sacramento, New Orleans, Atlanta

                          2-0 against Group A (9-4)

                          Group B (teams Pacers face 2 times the rest of the season): Orlando(1L), Chicago(1L), Toronto(1W), Miami(1L), Charlotte(1W), Minnesota, Milwaukee, Washington, Boston

                          2-3 against Group B (9-9)

                          Group C (teams Pacers face 3 times the rest of the season): New York and New Jersey(2W)

                          2-0 against Group C (4-2)

                          Group D (teams Pacers face 4 times the rest of the season): Detroit

                          0-0 against Group D (3-1)

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                          • #28
                            Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            I still think it is going to be very difficult to get back to .500 and finish the season 41-41. From 17-27 that would mean the pacers would have to go 24-14 to finish the season or a 64% winning % or a 52 game winning pace. Pacers are not a 52 win team
                            Who knows. I bet you never would have guessed we'd be 5-1 our last six games, either.

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                            • #29
                              Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                              Hell I didn't really notice that we're only 6 games under .500.

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                              • #30
                                Re: .500 finish is very attainable: Third times a charm!

                                Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                                Hell I didn't really notice that we're only 6 games under .500.
                                Exactly, if we win even at a 2-1 clip the rest of the year, we should be back to .500 or so (too lazy to do the exact math)

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