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Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

    Originally posted by beast23 View Post
    Peck... Just curious.

    Would it be accurate to assume that George Hill is becoming your favorite player?
    Are you implying that George Hill is reaching Daledavisian Levels?

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

      However since I was at the game I didn’t get to watch the broadcast so I have no idea if they paid attention to the game or talked about Dwight Howard or Mike D’Antoni all night. I came home from the game and watched NBAtv for two and a half solid hours before they even mentioned our game.
      What didn't they talk about? I've never heard such a chattering bunch of small talk from a broadcast team in my life. They never shut up for a second.

      Did they talk about the game? Yes... and the Knicks and Dwight Howard... and the weather... and and and.... rinse and repeat. It was a constant barrage of meaningless drivel mixed in with pertinent and not so pertinent game facts. Sometimes they would have to interrupt their train of thought on some unrelated mundane topic to mention something that happened in the game.

      I could not believe the level of chatter. Don't get me wrong, they weren't dissing the game or the Pacers. They had several nice comments mixed in with the chatter.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

        However since I was at the game I didn’t get to watch the broadcast so I have no idea if they paid attention to the game or talked about Dwight Howard or Mike D’Antoni all night. I came home from the game and watched NBAtv for two and a half solid hours before they even mentioned our game.
        What didn't they talk about? I've never heard such a chattering bunch of small talk from a broadcast team in my life. They never shut up for a second.

        Did they talk about the game? Yes... and the Knicks and Dwight Howard... and the weather... and and and.... rinse and repeat. It was a constant barrage of meaningless drivel mixed in with pertinent and not so pertinent game facts. Sometimes they would have to interrupt their train of thought on some unrelated mundane topic to mention something that happened in the game.

        I could not believe the level of chatter. Don't get me wrong, they weren't dissing the game or the Pacers. They had several nice comments mixed in with the chatter.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

        ------

        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Paul only played 19 min. tonight and only had 1 foul. Frankly I just don’t see how we can continue this going forward. He is not the franchises future, he is a huge part of the franchise right now. We either need to go back to using Hill as a combo guard or well frankly D.C. needs to go to the bench and sadly although he doesn’t deserve it A.J. needs to go back to the deep rotation. I would not argue against putting D.C. in the deep rotation but I don’t think you can justify taking a starter and doing that to him.

          We won and now have won two in a row so all is going to be harmonious in the world but we all know we are not going to go undefeated the rest of the way so I don’t think Paul is going to be very happy playing less than 20 min. a game very often.
          The solution to this problem is to cut Dhantay Jones' minutes. Play AJ, Hill, and Paul at the same time with the second unit and use Dhantay only when Paul, Danny, or Hill get in foul trouble.

          Paul give you everything that Dhantay does and he does it better. Problem solved.

          I don't know what the Pacers can do to solve the Darren Collison problem outside of a trade. It would be great if Larry Bird could pry DJ Agustine from Jordan or get Raymond Felton from Portland in exchange for DC.

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

            Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
            The solution to this problem is to cut Dhantay Jones' minutes. Play AJ, Hill, and Paul at the same time with the second unit and use Dhantay only when Paul, Danny, or Hill get in foul trouble.

            Paul give you everything that Dhantay does and he does it better. Problem solved.

            I don't know what the Pacers can do to solve the Darren Collison problem outside of a trade. It would be great if Larry Bird could pry DJ Agustine from Jordan or get Raymond Felton from Portland in exchange for DC.
            Felton is garbage and is apparently causing huge, huge chemistry problems in Portland. It was he and crawford that turned the team against the coach after they were criticized in a post-game.
            Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

              i have a couple of questions about roster shuffling.

              1) can george hill play the point on a full time basis? his handle is ok, but too often he looks like a turnover waiting to happen. like the 'bad' JJ used to look. not saying he can't, cause i don't know, but it does concern me. there is a big difference between spot minutes and starting minutes.

              2) has paul george finally learned to defend the 3? so far it seems that he gets pushed around too much. ie, tall enough, but not strong enough. if he is not big and strong enough, dahntay still has to play. can paul guard iguodala, pierce, melo, MWP? there are a lot of big strong 3's in the league now.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                i have a couple of questions about roster shuffling.

                1) can george hill play the point on a full time basis? his handle is ok, but too often he looks like a turnover waiting to happen. like the 'bad' JJ used to look. not saying he can't, cause i don't know, but it does concern me. there is a big difference between spot minutes and starting minutes.

                2) has paul george finally learned to defend the 3? so far it seems that he gets pushed around too much. ie, tall enough, but not strong enough. if he is not big and strong enough, dahntay still has to play. can paul guard iguodala, pierce, melo, MWP? there are a lot of big strong 3's in the league now.
                Hopefully he would be spending most of his 3 minutes against back-ups giving him a chance to learn without being killed by their strength.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  Yea Roy tweeted to Paul asking how he felt.

                  If he was sick then we can disregard most of what I said about the time split tonight, however overall since the all-star break I think his min. per game is down slightly while his production is up.

                  But, yea if he was sick then that changes a lot.
                  I really think that's not that much of a problem.

                  Before, I think he was averaging 29 minutes since the All star break? I'm more inclined to say the less minutes for everyone the better. It's a compact season, which means higher likelihood of injuries and players are getting tired throughout games.

                  I don't want him at only 20, mind you, and it becomes obvious that GH needs 30, then I do think Dahntay's minutes need to go to George.

                  (This is of course, not withstanding whatever is going to happen with Barbosa.)

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

                    1) I broke out the Dale jersey just for Peck since I knew he'd be staring at my back all night knowing I punked him out on the "coulda been" bet. See, I'm a thoughtful a-hole.


                    2) Philly is NOT good. Not when they go on the road at least. If you want to get one of these apparently magical "wins vs a good team" then they need to go beat Philly in Philly. I think they can and will, but last night doesn't count.

                    3) Having said that, I will post my rant tomorrow about all the complaining over the "losing streak to good teams" which was basically massively overblown. You had a very tough stretch of good opponents and awkward situations (like road to home B2B) and struggled in SOME of them (but not all).


                    The team was fine when they lost to ATL, MIA and ORL and they are fine now. They aren't in the Miami or Chicago tier, but they are clearly in the tier right below that along with Orlando and maybe Atlanta (based on some of their wins). Enough crying about who they lost too. One of the facts my rant tomorrow will include is that Miami hasn't beaten a winning team on the road in a month, so I guess they're crap too.

                    Winning teams are supposed to beat other winning teams if they are at home or have more rest. Indy losing on the road to MIA, CHI and ORL is the safe, smart bet. No one that is neutral and was putting money on it would have taken the money line bet on Indy for any of those games.

                    Those same people would have bet big on Indy beating Philly straight up.




                    I'm a sucker for these things, but when George Hill holstered the guns after a couple of those shots I lost it. Great stuff in a great moment.

                    How about that Danny "block"/massive foul. It's fun when it goes our way, but what kills me is the fans that love it and think it's "clean" but would absolutely threaten the refs' life if that play was going against Danny being shot blocked instead.


                    Go back and look at the prospects thread the year Collison and Holliday came out. Is there any surprise now that I really wanted a trade down for Jrue and wanted no part of the passing-handicapped DC? Jrue plays defense and runs a solid PnR...and he cost a lot LESS than Tyler.



                    Yes, Philly almost literally looks like they put a mirror in front of the Pacers bench.

                    PG - 2 UCLA teammates that both played guard (Howland played Jrue at SG because Howland is not a good coach)

                    SG - Turner/Paul, both athletic studs on the rise

                    SF - Iggy/Danny, just missing Deng for the never ending comparison, games that feel interchangeable at times

                    PF - West and Brand are both smart offensive scorers, a bit short, a bit stocky, vets who are a bit slower now, former AS level, and both can kill with mid-jumpers

                    C - Hawes and Roy are both promising, tall, true centers with a somewhat knack for passing the ball and having the offense run through them. Both have flaws and awkwardness that limit them from the next level

                    6th man - Hill and Lou, both capable of being combo guards that score in bunches

                    I can't recall ever seeing two teams that could almost swap unis and fool people.

                    So beating Philly is just really a case of being the slightly better version at 4-5 of those matchups. On the year I'd say that's been the case and certainly it was last night. I also think the Pacers have shown much better discipline and morale on the road than Philly does.
                    Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-15-2012, 11:17 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Naptown Seth was right, Peck was wrong

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      Over the past month or so, Lou has really started to look like the player that was a huge part of Phoenix's strong bench a few years ago when they made the run to the conference finals.
                      Hopefully Leandro can do the same.

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