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Re: Vnzla81
The key point is "bait". It doesn't need to happen. He did it too much.
The key point is "bait". It doesn't need to happen. He did it too much.
The Rules of Pacers Digest
Hello everyone,
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Re: Vnzla81
People have been given a hard time for not bashing the team as well. People have been given a hard time for sticking up for certain players of this team. They just don't play the victim about it.Originally posted by vapacersfan View PostOriginally posted by IrishPacer
Empty vessels make the most noise.Comment
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Re: Vnzla81
What we are HOPING to get people to figure out is that you can say practically whatever you like about the team as long as you are RESPECTFUL about it. The examples given in the new version of the guidelines are supposed to make things clearer. Calling a poster an idiot or stupid (as opposed to an article writer or blogger - that's fair game to a certain extent
), insinuating people don't have a clue because they don't watch the games (or, while not an explicit example, things like insisting people only formulate opinions because they hate a player or poster) - these make it obvious the response is no longer about the disagreement, it is a personal attack.
The gray area is always when people are mocking an idea. Some folks hold their opinions very tightly and an attack on the idea is seen as an attack on them. That isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but the safe thing is to always use a respectful tone when disagreeing with someone you aren't sure how they will take it.
I'll be the first to admit that I can get to a point where I try to cut through the ooze of rhetoric with the shining sharp sword of sarcasm - sometimes it is appreciated, sometimes it is not, and I fully get that. If someone asks me to tone it down, though, I'll try to do so - and, as able has said, the other admins have had to yank on my reins from time to time. Obviously, I won't respond by telling them they should get over it and put up with me or else they clearly just have a vendetta against me or anyone who shares my opinions - which, frankly, is the "want to make an admin mad? Accuse them of this..." button around here.BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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Re: Vnzla81
Whew,
I just read through this whole mess. Back and forth. I almost stopped reading after the Counts excellent offering, feeling it almost wrapped up neat as a bow. but stop reading I did not and for better or worse here's a few take away's.
1. I will miss V. Though he was an ***. I miss that other noisey little guy who hated DC also...(Windy). But I am philosophical. I just sort of render what you say to some idea... then reply to that.
If your delivery is humorous or pugnacious or insulting then I think that says more about you than me. I am not threatened. Not by your ideas, your demeanor... whatever.
We're just talkin' here, right?
If you are perpetually inane and there is nothing left after the rendering, then I may decide to ignore you. At least I have that option.
V has fared better than some gadflies.
2. At least one guy here (whom I previously held in some esteem) now appears to be a posturing lackey who would cut off his own nuts to be a mod. I find that curious, and Po' ol' Hicks would be willing about now to give him his slot! (Please do not!) BTW I do no disservice to the lackey. Doubtless his efforts are transparent to everyone but himself. A little less boot licking would show more backbone making your services more indispensable. Incidentally, I believe the individual I have in mind would make a commendable choice, otherwise.
3. Speaking of Hick's.
Thanks dude. You have always seemed to be pretty (excuse me) "solid" and your contribution here and tolerance of some open nerves have renewed my respect for PD as an environment where people could attain some depth of conversation.
4.While I have a bit of an authority problem myself (and have great empathy for most of the comments of Sollo) I feel pretty convinced that the punitive action was taken after a good deal of deliberation and with the earnest hope of improving the board.
5. Sometimes around the poker table, or in the fishing boat etc guys can really talk some ****!
If you've not had two or three good friends tear you up, with feigned slander and insult, while they all laugh their azzes off - I'd be surprised. The problem with V is that he may play the same crude stuff on your prudish aunt (with all the more relish!)
V is a guy that you just can't take out in public.
But we are in public.
He trifled with us.
Or did if you let him.
6. Sarcasm is a delicate art. Most who practice it have not wit enough, by half.
So here is an idea... Feel free to send me the royalties!
A new forum is in order!
The Arena.
Where the rules are loosened... quite a lot.
Your thread, or comments, or entire account could be dumped off there if it we're decided that you we're not playing nice.
Disorderly and venial perhaps but is the place for taking the gloves off and... keeping it there!
Anyone who misses the vitriol, and thirty pages of who shot John, could just dive in and waste all the time they want.
And Mods could just click!
And put them "in their place".
The uncouth and raucous assemblage of those who struggle to form their thoughts in a less abrasive manner.
Instituted so that no thought (how-ever crudely formed) may be lost because of an unpleasant depiction,
and benefiting those of a more delicate epidermis that they need not be bothered by castigation from the peanut gallery.Last edited by solid; 01-14-2014, 10:21 AM.Comment
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This isn't about sunshiners vs. darksiders....heck Vnzla was ready to pay Paul George max money after like his rookie year. The guy was not always negative.Last edited by Trader Joe; 01-14-2014, 10:44 AM.
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Originally posted by solid View Post
Let's leave everyone's bits and pieces out of this please
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So, here's an example. The rest of this post was very good and thought-provoking, but what was the purpose of this section? It adds nothing to the conversation, it expresses an opinion about a poster, and seems to be digging for people to ask, "oh, who do you mean?" just so that the name can be released in PM or under public "pressure".Originally posted by solid View Post
There's no need for this, really. If you were upset with something, report it. If you just don't like someone, ignore or deal. But there's no reason to make veiled (or unveiled) references that are purely personal attacks. That's the kind of thing that slowly poisons the atmosphere because it leads people to read attack motives into future posts or responses.
Does that make sense?BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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I hate to say it but that's exactly what came to my mind. Holy $h!+ I'm becoming my wife.Originally posted by BillS View Post
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....Comment
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Why is there a need to create a new forum? The rule "don't be a dick" isn't difficult to follow.Originally posted by solid View Post“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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I flat out disagree with most of what you said! Actually it's only though learning that new views are born, and we can learn in many ways! And the thing about disagreements is they upset people. Why do you think Vnzla81 was banned? Why do you think people left the Digest?Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
With the Internet, if a forum isn't modded very well you get forums like found on ESPN, where disagreements are the norm and the only thing enhanced by the discussions are the ways mean spirited people call each other names.
Discord is not good for people and that is what you are advocating. Sometimes disagreements upset people so much they kill themselves. Actually getting along with others is whats vital.
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We are so fond of one another,
Because our ailments are the same.
By Jonathon Swift
I quoted the above because this is how I once felt about the Digest.
Our ailment of course is the Pacers. I came here to read about the Pacers and be entertained. And then leave in a good mood.
However, for the last few years more often than not the prevailing spirit of the Digest has been discord and disagreement and I've been trying to leave, but habit and the other forums kept me coming back.
I came here the other day and realized the forum had a different feel than usual, it was more peaceful and I wondered why. I had been missing Pecks posts and so my first thought was it had something to do with him, but there weren't any new posts from Peck so I disregarded that thought.
Then I remembered it had felt peaceful when Vnzla81 had been gone for a month, but I knew he was back so I thought he had actually listened to the mods. So I went looking to see if Vnzla was still posting and found this thread. True story, I can actually feel the difference in the forum.
Some will think I'm silly or weird, but everyone has experienced discord when other family members are having a disagreement. There's a certain feeling of discomfort that you don't like, you want them to get along. When Vnzla is posting he brings a similar vibe to the forum, at least for me he does.
I like a lively discussion, but the internet seems to bring out the worst in people. That's why I think the best forums are the stricter ones that won't let disagreements get out of hand.Last edited by Will Galen; 01-14-2014, 01:44 PM.Comment
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Yet you fall flat on your face on this front often. But that can't be, because you are a good poster. I have already admitted to failing at it quite a bit.Originally posted by Since86 View Post
Being a dick is a relative term. A lot is lost in translation in typed out sentences and thoughts when you can't properly convey hand gestures, facial expression, tone, and the general personality of the people you are communicating with. It's difficult to do. I say a sentence in here, and someone thinks I'm a dick or insensitive or whatever else. I say the same thing in person with the necessary tone, body language, and facial expressions, and it's a different story. So, yeah, it's kind of hard sometimes not to be a dick. Although it is a noble goal to strive to, and we should all ask ourselves before posting something, "Am I going to sound like a huge dick for saying this?"Comment
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Sometimes, I agree. But it's not that hard to not be a dick daily. I guess I should have said, that I see no reason to create a new forum because one poster has problems staying within the rules.Originally posted by cdash View Post
I said it to Sollozzo, and I was half joking/half serious. V isn't dead. If people think that he's such a great contributor and will miss his insights so much, PM BnG and ask for the list of sites that Vnzla wants followers at. The simple fact that only one poster is the constant problem, should be a good indicator that following the rules isn't very hard.Last edited by Since86; 01-14-2014, 02:56 PM.“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.Comment
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It does indeed. I apologize for that addition and If I had not fallen asleep right after would have edited that out.Originally posted by BillS View Post
The point about the other forum is that sometimes slumming can be a hoot.
If I had woken up with some of those lines having been removed, or found my posts in "the dump" or arena I would understand. most passionate people can on occasion say more than they should.
And as you rightly point out it is the fall out from such unnecessary stuff like that that so derails a conversation.
But like an ol' dive bar that's sort of scary it can be fun to hang out some time in a place where you CAN say fart, or make mention of something that annoys you. And we'd be able to "keep" V, and ol' blu, and Windy who brought spice (and sometime insight) to the conversation. And we'd always know where to find them!
And I appreciate sarcasm and all the related acerbic forms of wit.
Voltaire was considered a genius of his age precisely because his verbal jousts we're so cutting.
Ok we're no Voltaire. Certainly I am not.
I enjoyed this entire thread. I almost didn't start to read it, I generally stay away from gossipy mires but it's been cool.
Hopefully we all come away with a better understanding about the strain and efforts that go on in the back ground to make this place as enjoyable as it is. And God willing find a spoonful toleration, on both sides of the fence.Last edited by solid; 01-14-2014, 03:34 PM.Comment
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Yes I agree that there is no need for another forum and never took that post seriously. I just wanted to state my opinion on the seemingly simple, "don't be a dick" rule. Which in general, I agree with too. Just pointing out that it isn't a perfect science.Originally posted by Since86 View PostComment
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