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  • #31
    Re: Pacers Bulls Post Game Thread

    If we never ran an offensive set for Roy again except when we were playing Miami I wouldn't be mad.


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    • #32
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      I had high hopes for this team. Now I can't stand watching them. They are soft mentally and physically. They are the biggest whiners in the league. We seem to have the mindset that everything will just be alright. There seems to be no sense of urgency by the players or the coaching staff. Do we not have one coach who has the backbone to get into somebody's face and hold them accountable. The players are not responding to anything. It is time to stop worrying about Miami because the way we are playing, we have no prayer of even getting to them in the playoffs. Alot of people are not taking the rest of the east serious but they better. There are at least 4 other teams playing better than us right now.

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      • #33
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        This streak is just getting bad. Lucky for us MIA is also playing like ****. But we want the momentum going into the playoffs.
        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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        • #34
          Re: Pacers Bulls Post Game Thread

          Those who said that Turner would die in our system should give themselves another pat on the back.

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          • #35
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            I just don't see how PG doesn't look at that trip dub and the W Friday and put 2 and 2 together. How does ROy not look at his second half double doubel in that game and put 2 and 2 together? The answers are in the obvious boys.


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            • #36
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              I am very disappointed in the game played tonight by our guys... I mean,I half expected the bulls to come in with a vengeance and get the win, but between all around bad officiating, Roy and PG playing like utter Scheiße .. I knew it was gonna be ugly.. Also, I just wanna say I absolutely HATE the Bulls.. I hate Miami too, but only about half as much as Chicago... I hate Miami simply because.... ... lol.. But Chicago on the other hand, my deep seeded hate goes all the way back to the Jordan era... And this group of guys they have are just a-holes with big mouths... Speaking of big mouths, I woulda LOVED to see West just knock Boozer upside his big dumb mouth tonight.. Out of all the Bulls players that I hate, I absolutely cannot STAND Boozer with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns...

              We all KNOW this team and all of our guys are much much MUCH better than this horrid display.. All I know, is something needs to happen in the locker room or on the trip outta Chicago.. and whatever it is that has compounded into a major problem, NEEDS to get solved, and solved real effing quick... I think it is time Larry Legend visits the locker room and gets to the bottom of what everyone's major malfunction is, and tell them IT GET'S SOLVED RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW ... Because in my honest opinion, it is definitely something mental going on that hasn't been resolved.. If anyone can right this ship, Larry absolutely can...

              Now listen guys, (and please don't take this the wrong way, because I am just as guilty every so often) but ....I know everyone is supremely frustrated with our play (as am I) ... but please try and shy away from putting down our guys so much .. calling them bums and going into hyperdrive with the hyperbole...
              I know it's difficult... OH I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT..... but it does nothing to help our team, and all it does is make us look like stupid hotheads, and our Pacers look even worse (aside from their excruciatingly careless/bad play) in the eyes of anyone who would come to this forum as a guest or fan of another team looking to get some insight on the team...

              As far as calling out horrid play, shots, aspects of the game with the team and each player , that is more than acceptable... and hell even encouraged....for discussion... But to the casual observer . we, are looking like hot-headed douchebag fans, who have a serious bi-polar manic depressive disorder.... and it's not cool...

              Believe me, I am pretty darn mad and upset with this game, and how we have been playing... but when I feel like lashing out I don't do it in a public soap box... Sure, I yell, hoot and holler at the tv and cuss like a sailor I am so incensed, but I have enough respect for this organization (The Pacers) , to NOT have diarrhea of the mouth here on Pacers Digest .. I beg you guys to at least try ..
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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              • #37
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                Would an *** whooping at home to Miami wake these guys up?? If that doesnt, then nothing will... I just am at a loss for words with this poor play...
                Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers / Bulls Post Game Thread - 3/24

                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                  We aren't those teams because we're much better than them on our homecourt but I do get what you're saying.

                  For the record, we were even worse last year. We didn't have a winning record on the road back then.
                  What the record is for the year doesn't matter as much as how we are playing right now. We haven't had a good road win since 1/20. That is over 2 months. We have our original goal of home court advantage right in front of us and our players don't even give consistent effort half the time. No excuse for the play of our all stars. They both have been terrible lately. Roy chose to point fingers at others when his play has been one of biggest problems. Accept responsibility for yourself before ragging on someone else.

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                  • #39
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                    I'm probably two losses away from going PFFL and having myself permanently removed from the internet. I have no faith in this team turning it around. I'll watch the games, of course, because I hate myself, but I have no illusions about how this story ends.

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                    • #40
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                      Someone convince me that Roy is not overpaid.

                      I've been the only PG supporter but the guy has made himself unlikable on and off the court. PG said his workout regimen in the offseason was dedicated to the fact he was going to be the #1 option this year then he got tired after a month. He makes terrible decisions on the court and off the court, not using protection when you sleep with a stripper is just plain stupid, you can't trust him when he says he didn't get catfished by a man because he denies obvious fouls he commits on the court. He's not a superstar.

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                      • #41
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                        I've seen enough.

                        Most of you know me I am slow to make any rash judgments. Never get too high or too low. Always think things tend to even out and a team is never as good as they seem after a win or as bad as it seems after a loss.

                        But there is something wrong with this team. The effort is still generally good, but something is really missing, this is not the same team we saw through the first half of the season or in the playoffs last year.


                        The fire is gone, the chemistry is gone, the togetherness is gone, the fight is gone, the sense that if I don't get the job done my teammate will be there to back me up - is completely gone. Put simply I see the trust that is needed to be a winning team has vanished. As we all know in any relationship once the trust is gone, it is almost impossible to get it back.

                        And let me be 100% clear. 100% clear about this. This has nothing, zero, nada to do with the bench players. No this is the starters, plain and simple. The chemistry has fallen apart amongst the 5 starters. They are not playing like a team, they are not together.

                        Two simple plays I saw tonight that had to do with body language. (and believe me it is not just tonight, it has been through the past probably 20 games). There was a 2 on 1 fast-break PG had the ball on the left side of the floor, lance was on the right side of the floor. Lance wanted a lob (not really sure It was there - that isn't really the point - PG ends up missing the shot, Lance looks at PG after the play with hands out, as if saying why didn't you pass the ball. PG never looked at Lance at all - on purpose, (there was a timeout right after that play) they didn't walk to the bench together. It was an obvious situation. A yelling or screaming argument would have been more encouraging to me. Sort of like a relationship when things are really bad you actually stop fighting - you just don't care anymore.

                        The other one Lance pulls up and takes an early three, and if you look at the reaction of PG, Roy and Hill (West wasn't visible, he was off camera) each of those three players had a disgusted reaction, none tried to even attempt a rebound. I've watched enough basketball, played enough basketball back in my day to know the look and reaction. I've been on teams where a player or two doesn't play team ball, and it tears the team apart. That is what I saw tonight and what has been evident over the past few weeks.

                        Sort of like at work, when a co-worker isn't being a team player and you decide you are going to just do your job, keep your head down, not care about your co-workers, every person for themselves. If they aren't going to be team players, then I certainly am not, and I have to look out for myself anyway. Not that you quit doing your job, but your sense of caring for your c-worker and the company, organization, team is gone. You care about yourself only.

                        That is what has happened (past tense)

                        Let me make something else very clear, I am not blaming anyone in particular. I'll blame all 5 starters - each and every one of them. It is their fault. To me they look sick of each other. If this team fails in the playoffs, however you want to define that, the starting 5 has to be changed in a significant way. Probably 2 of the 5 starters have to be moved. And I am not suggesting who it should be, it might not matter, but these 5 might not be able to play well together again for extended periods of time. Some relationships start hot and fizzle quickly, maybe that is what we are seeing.
                        Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-25-2014, 08:10 AM.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                          PG said his workout regimen in the offseason was dedicated to the fact he was going to be the #1 option this year then he got tired after a month.
                          lol.

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                          • #43
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                            If we win vs the Heat wed. everyone will say how we are going to sweep the playoffs. Follow that up with a loss and we will lose in the first round. Follow that up with a win and it wasn't by enough points, but we may make the second round now. Follow that with a blow out and we are going to sweep the playoffs again. Sometimes, you just got to hold back that quick and rash things that come to your head. Emotion and being in the moment are good at times and bad at others.
                            #LanceEffect

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                            • #44
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                              Anybody think barring an NBA finals appearance....this might be Vogels last year with the Pacers?
                              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                                Anybody think barring an NBA finals appearance....this might be Vogels last year with the Pacers?
                                I think that it is very unlikely the coach of a 1 or 2 seed gets fired.
                                #LanceEffect

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