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1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

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  • #46
    Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    So if anything maybe we can pout about the defensive rebounding? But not really cause we won by 24.
    That would be fair. Our team could do a better job at backing up Hibbert when he went for the block. Hibbert himself was outmuscled a couple of times and could do a better job himself. Of course, blocking out Cousins is much easier said than done but we could do a better job about it.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #47
      Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

      Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
      Lance and PG are probably the least criticized guys on the team. You know that, I know that and anyone who spends more than 10 min reading PD knows that.
      http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...me-Thread-1-10

      We won by 27 this game, who got the most criticism? I'll wait.
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      http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...-thread-P-vs-T

      We beat Toronto, who got criticized the most?
      Last edited by Magic P; 01-15-2014, 12:41 AM.

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      • #48
        Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
        . . . As for Cousins in general, he was dialed in tonight. He is the one guy in this league who you can completely take out of the game mentally. Every time this guy gets mad or frustrated his game just completely falls apart. He is an emotional guy, you could see it on his face all game long. He constantly feels disrespected. Roy could have been a tad more physical with him and talked him up.
        I have not seen much of Cousin's play this year, but I really thought he looked like a professional tonight. None of those things you list were things he was guilty of. He looks like a guy that is making the leap from petulant kid to grown up. For the Kings sake, I wish him well.

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        • #49
          Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

          Cousins is a phenom. He's an absolute monster. He got his 31 points, and the rest of the team scored 62. Hibbert did well off-ball. Cousins is one of those guys who gets his, and you've got to make sure no one else tears you apart.

          PG and Scola had nice bounce back games to end their little slump. Watson is in a hot streak right now, which is huge for the bench. The Kings are tougher than their record would indicate, so this is a nice win.

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          • #50
            Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

            Originally posted by Magic P View Post
            http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...me-Thread-1-10

            We won by 27 this game, who got the most criticism? I'll wait.
            Just a guess, but probably the guys that didn't play very well. or Hill.

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            • #51
              Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

              Cousins is clearly putting it together this season. He gave Roy the same problems last year. DMC knows how to get position. He's an outstanding rebounder too. I enjoy watching him live.

              Good win. Now lets do it next week in Sacramento too!

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              • #52
                Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                Pretty funny interaction on the Kings forums after one poster posted this the rest of the site jumped on him haha......

                Sacking2022: "I don't understand the hype on Paul George
                He's such an average player."

                "Wrong. He's a superstar that doesn't need to be one every night on his very, very good team. Most NBA observers and certainly players in the league know how good Paul George is.
                By contrast DMC has to play like a superstar every night and usually does just for Kings to be competitive. "

                "Dammit SacKing2002, I blame you for this Paul George jinx"

                "Whoever said Paul George isn't special is a moron."

                "I'd like to give SacKings2002NBAChampions the benefit of the doubt, and say that he's not really that ignorant, and that he's just trolling being sarcastic."

                "Lol at someone calling George average. Elite 3pt shooter with elite athletic ability, good ball handling and court vision with potential to be best defensive wing in the league."

                "I dunno guys. Paul George looks pretty average LOL."

                "Sackings2002 has got to go. "

                "Paul George is a bust. You think we can trade MT for him?"

                "Paul George can't be stopped"

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                • #53
                  Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                  Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                  Not when you're a candidate for DPOY.
                  I can attest to your statement. Roy did get abused. In fact, Roy at one point mid third looked like a whipped pup. Was trying to pay specific attn. to Roy's positioning defensively and on the offensive glass. Defensively his rotation was a bit slow but nothing to be too concerned about.

                  What I will harp on is his timing on verticality. I understand Roy is the best verticality center in the lg. However, he does not time other players (ie anticipate) moves. Instead, sometimes over relies on verticalitiy which takes him out of the play and position to board due to his momentum carrying him out of bounds on verticality more than not.

                  Vs smaller gaurds Roy would be best served timing the play and from the side position to block the shot. Roys balance is still not where it needs to be.

                  I love Roy and finding a true center in this lg is a rare gem. I enjoy watching his movment off ball. I don't think he positions well on the offensive glass.

                  He sees his share of offense about 15% of the time. Not due to limitations just the strentgth of this team. Point is, at 7'2 he should be a monster on the offensive glass. Exceptions can be made for nites 55 plays a talentd player like Boogy.

                  Jeff Foster could really teach 55 a few things about rebounding and positioning. such a shame Fiesty did not have about 2 more season in him.

                  Bottom Line:

                  Roy needs to find the balance to utilize his height. More importantly rebounding position on the offesnsive boards since 85% of the offense he is not primary option. Again, Feisty Foster is one of the best ever at this and its add due to positioning.

                  Roy is considered a DPOY candidate and I don't think he is no where near close to tapping his potential yet.


                  Boogys simply a freak. You gotta elbow that cracker in the jaw Roy on accident.

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                  • #54
                    Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                    I can attest to your statement. Roy did get abused. In fact, Roy at one point mid third looked like a whipped pup. Was trying to pay specific attn. to Roy's positioning defensively and on the offensive glass. Defensively his rotation was a bit slow but nothing to be too concerned about.

                    What I will harp on is his timing on verticality. I understand Roy is the best verticality center in the lg. However, he does not time other players (ie anticipate) moves. Instead, sometimes over relies on verticalitiy which takes him out of the play and position to board due to his momentum carrying him out of bounds on verticality more than not.

                    Vs smaller gaurds Roy would be best served timing the play and from the side position to block the shot. Roys balance is still not where it needs to be.

                    I love Roy and finding a true center in this lg is a rare gem. I enjoy watching his movment off ball. I don't think he positions well on the offensive glass.

                    He sees his share of offense about 15% of the time. Not due to limitations just the strentgth of this team. Point is, at 7'2 he should be a monster on the offensive glass. Exceptions can be made for nites 55 plays a talentd player like Boogy.

                    Jeff Foster could really teach 55 a few things about rebounding and positioning. such a shame Fiesty did not have about 2 more season in him.

                    Bottom Line:

                    Roy needs to find the balance to utilize his height. More importantly rebounding position on the offesnsive boards since 85% of the offense he is not primary option. Again, Feisty Foster is one of the best ever at this and its add due to positioning.

                    Roy is considered a DPOY candidate and I don't think he is no where near close to tapping his potential yet.


                    Boogys simply a freak. You gotta elbow that cracker in the jaw Roy on accident.
                    As things are now I dont think Roy is going to be much of an offensive rebounder...because they really dont have him designated to do so...I think they much prefer he get back defensively as quickly as he can....I have been somewhat surprised at his lack of defensive rebounding of late....I know Lance steals a few from a number of guys..yet Roy seems to not be getting his fair share on the defensive end recently...
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                    • #55
                      Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                      I think we're seeing some of the same issues with Roy this year as last and I don't worry about it. Roy still has a bigger defensive impact on the game then perhaps any other nba player. When it's time to get serious at the end of the season I think we'll see the same Roy that started this season and dominated during the playoffs last year. If we were to ever face the Kings in the playoffs my money would still be on Hibbert over Cousins. Roy has the ability to step it up a lot from where he is now when we need him to.
                      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                      • #56
                        Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        They are second to last in the Western Conference. They are 7.5 games out of 8th place. It would be a monumental achievement for them to just make the playoffs. I think we can write them off
                        For this year, sure. In the years to come? Different question.
                        NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                        • #57
                          Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          Cousins strikes me as this generation's Rasheed Wallace. If/when he gets traded to a contender years from now... look out!
                          Don't count the Kings out for the future. Our new owner is determined to put us back on top of the Western Conference. Considering his history and life story, I wouldn't sell him short.
                          NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                          • #58
                            Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            A great win...I was alittle disappointed in Hibbert's head to head stats versus Cousins. But like its been said, Hibbert moves over to challenge the ball in the paint, so alot of those points were Cousins getting the put back on a bad shot. So if anything maybe we can pout about the defensive rebounding? But not really cause we won by 24.

                            As for Cousins in general, he was dialed in tonight. He is the one guy in this league who you can completely take out of the game mentally. Every time this guy gets mad or frustrated his game just completely falls apart. He is an emotional guy, you could see it on his face all game long. He constantly feels disrespected. Roy could have been a tad more physical with him and talked him up.
                            Not this year.

                            In the past, his attitude was a problem. This year, with a new coach and new owner, DMC has really stepped up. The Cavs did everything they could to get him angry and off his game. It didn't work. Orlando tried the same thing with the same result. Teams that try to take him out of the game by taking him out mentally are barking up the wrong tree.
                            NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                            • #59
                              Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                              Originally posted by VF21 View Post
                              For this year, sure. In the years to come? Different question.
                              Sorry for calling you a mate, by the way.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              • #60
                                Re: 1/14/2014 Post Game Thread #37: Pacers Vs. Kings

                                Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                                Pretty funny interaction on the Kings forums after one poster posted this the rest of the site jumped on him haha......

                                Sacking2022: "I don't understand the hype on Paul George
                                He's such an average player."

                                "Wrong. He's a superstar that doesn't need to be one every night on his very, very good team. Most NBA observers and certainly players in the league know how good Paul George is.
                                By contrast DMC has to play like a superstar every night and usually does just for Kings to be competitive. "

                                "Dammit SacKing2002, I blame you for this Paul George jinx"

                                "Whoever said Paul George isn't special is a moron."

                                "I'd like to give SacKings2002NBAChampions the benefit of the doubt, and say that he's not really that ignorant, and that he's just trolling being sarcastic."

                                "Lol at someone calling George average. Elite 3pt shooter with elite athletic ability, good ball handling and court vision with potential to be best defensive wing in the league."

                                "I dunno guys. Paul George looks pretty average LOL."

                                "Sackings2002 has got to go. "

                                "Paul George is a bust. You think we can trade MT for him?"

                                "Paul George can't be stopped"
                                Please, please, please, please, please do not judge my board or Kings fans in general by the lunacy that is SacKings2002NBAChampions. He is NOT representative of Kings fans, who were very impressed with Paul George - and the rest of your team, to be honest.

                                You guys have put together one helluva team. I'm looking forward to you slapping the crap out of LBJ and his over-the-hill gang.
                                NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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