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Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

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  • #46
    Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

    Pistons won't touch him. Then again, they won't touch Burks, either. They aren't in the market for a combo guard.

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    • #47
      Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

      Originally posted by Really? View Post
      Sorry that was supposed to be in response to is he a PG...

      Oh to add something about brooks, heard he was turnover prone... that is not a good thing and will definitely limit the amount of time he will have on the court
      Brooks or Burks? Most rookies are turnover prone coming into the NBA anyways. Whomever we draft, they'll be coming in with the second unit...persuming we keep the pick.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #48
        Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        Not true. I don't really want Burks.
        And thats why we will get him and he will pan out better than Bayless.

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        • #49
          Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
          Brooks or Burks? Most rookies are turnover prone coming into the NBA anyways. Whomever we draft, they'll be coming in with the second unit...persuming we keep the pick.
          Burks is a 2, and Brooks is turnover prone, I think 3rd highest in the draft class from what I heard..

          As far as athleticms from the NBA draft combine Brooks was 1st in lane agility, first in vertical and 2nd in Max vertical...

          People please stop calling Burks more athletic than Brooks... either it is close or Brooks is beasting him going from these numbers

          Edit:

          Sorry numbers were of 2nd hightest vert, 6th max vert, and 7th in lane agility, 6th in 3/4 court... all of those numbers beat Burks
          Last edited by Really?; 06-23-2011, 02:32 PM. Reason: Numbers were off
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • #50
            Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

            The next Dwayne Wade or the next Brandon Roy... damn so hard to choose!

            Who was that guy who was said to be the next Alonzo Mourning. Let's get him! Or that guy who is supposed to be the next Dale Davis! Oh and also the next Kobe Bryant, I think that was Brooks? I think there is a guy who is supposed to be the next Reggie Miller too, but when we can take the next Dwayne Wade or Kobe, why take the next Reggie? Maybe in the 2nd round...

            We need to trade everyone we can to get draft picks NOW!

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            • #51
              Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              Burks is a 2, and Brooks is turnover prone, I think 3rd highest in the draft class from what I heard..

              As far as athleticms from the NBA draft combine Brooks was 1st in lane agility, first in vertical and 2nd in Max vertical...

              People please stop calling Burks more athletic than Brooks... either it is close or Brooks is beasting him going from these numbers

              Edit:

              Sorry numbers were of 2nd hightest vert, 6th max vert, and 7th in lane agility, 6th in 3/4 court... all of those numbers beat Burks
              I think its close but keep in mind that there is a considerable gap between the 2 in age. Which one has more potential? I would say Burks is over Brooks at this point.

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              • #52
                Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                Burks is a 2, and Brooks is turnover prone, I think 3rd highest in the draft class from what I heard..

                As far as athleticms from the NBA draft combine Brooks was 1st in lane agility, first in vertical and 2nd in Max vertical...

                People please stop calling Burks more athletic than Brooks... either it is close or Brooks is beasting him going from these numbers

                Edit:

                Sorry numbers were of 2nd hightest vert, 6th max vert, and 7th in lane agility, 6th in 3/4 court... all of those numbers beat Burks
                From what I seen of Brooks, he's our pick and will probably be available at 15. Brooks has way too many offensive moves (not sure about his defense) to past on him. After watching the videos, I was sold on Brooks the same way I was sold on Paul George. Brooks may very well be turnover prone, because he seems to be very ball-dominant.


                Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                • #53
                  Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                  Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                  The next Dwayne Wade or the next Brandon Roy... damn so hard to choose!

                  Who was that guy who was said to be the next Alonzo Mourning. Let's get him! Or that guy who is supposed to be the next Dale Davis! Oh and also the next Kobe Bryant, I think that was Brooks? I think there is a guy who is supposed to be the next Reggie Miller too, but when we can take the next Dwayne Wade or Kobe, why take the next Reggie? Maybe in the 2nd round...

                  We need to trade everyone we can to get draft picks NOW!

                  Post of the Year.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                    Roy's vs. Burk's production as sophomores:



                    Roy's vs. Burk's measurements (keep in mind Roy was two years older then than Burks is now):

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                    • #55
                      Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                      Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                      I think its close but keep in mind that there is a considerable gap between the 2 in age. Which one has more potential? I would say Burks is over Brooks at this point.
                      Age really don't matter...it's all about the skills and their ability to learn more. I think Burks has to learn more skills. He seems too one-dimensional to me right now.


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      • #56
                        Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                        Brandon Roy had mediocre measurements. What made him special was his handle and his dexterity. He has maybe the best off-hand of any guard in the NBA, which made his movements impossible to predict.

                        In terms of guards in this draft that have that kind of attribute, there are none. The most dexterous guards available are probably Irving and Fredette.
                        Last edited by Kstat; 06-23-2011, 02:47 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                          Age really don't matter...it's all about the skills and their ability to learn more. I think Burks has to learn more skills. He seems too one-dimensional to me right now.
                          I think we would all say that most 19 year old kids in the NBA draft need to learn more skills. Age does determine the ceiling of a player and I would bet Burks is a better NBA player at the end of the day than Brooks.

                          IMO your comparing apples to oranges. Your saying age doesn't matter but how is someone suppose to learn more without time to do it? Brooks has had more time to do it and both can score at almost the same percentage just in different ways.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                            Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                            Roy's vs. Burk's production as sophomores:



                            Roy's vs. Burk's measurements (keep in mind Roy was two years older then than Burks is now):

                            Could you put up the stats for the year that they got drafted...

                            One thing that is never really taken into consideration on these comparisons is the way that they are used on their teams.

                            Remember they had Nate Robinson at the time...
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • #59
                              Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              I think we would all say that most 19 year old kids in the NBA draft need to learn more skills. Age does determine the ceiling of a player and I would bet Burks is a better NBA player at the end of the day than Brooks.

                              IMO your comparing apples to oranges. Your saying age doesn't matter but how is someone suppose to learn more without time to do it? Brooks has had more time to do it and both can score at almost the same percentage just in different ways.
                              I will have to look up the stats, but younger players are not lasting any longer in the NBA than the older players.


                              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              • #60
                                Re: Alec Burks - The Next Brandon Roy

                                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                                I will have to look up the stats, but younger players are not lasting any longer in the NBA than the older players.
                                Well good luck with that...

                                Let me ask you this, Would you draft Brooks 15th overall based on his college sophmore abilities. You wouldn't even have known who he was but you would have known Burks based on his abilities. Thats an apples to apples comparison.

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