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    been reading on espn/realgm threads from hornets fans stating what they would want in exchange for Collison. is the below too much for the pacers to take back in a deal?

    the overall consensus from hornet fans is they want to get under the cap to sign an MLE FA. many of their fans said this would be a good trade for their team.

    Collison, Okafor, Posey, Songalia (24 million)

    for

    Murphy, Ford, Solo (20 million)
    or
    Dun, Ford, Solo (19 million)

    as a pacers fan if this was agreed to by NO's I would encourage Bird to accept. We do not have to give up Rush (not much interest in him from NO's) or a draft pick.

    I do not see either team getting a better deal than the one listed above. For indy we get a good young pg, solid pf even though he is overpaid, its balanced out by Collison's reasonable contract. Posey has 2 years remaining at 6.5 million and can backup Granger, and is likely tradeable next season. Songalia has one year remaining at 5 million and is tradable this season with our other expirings, and if not we let him walk.

    our lineup would be something as follows:

    pg: Collison, Price
    sg: Rush, George, Jones
    sf: Granger, Posey
    pf: Okafor, Hansbrough, McBob
    c: Hibbert, Songalia, Rolle

    Dunleavy or Murph would stay, and likely Foster (which im okay with, i like foster, and hope he retires a pacer).

    is this too much for indy too take back? i ask b/c it seems most hornets fans would be willing to agree with this exchange of players.

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    I am not sure when all the contracts end but wouldn't this mean it would be really hard to resign Hibbert, Rush and Collision?

    IMO the proposed line up gets you into the playoffs but not very deep into the playoffs.

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      Re: Darren Collison

      Yes, it's too much, sorry. Asking us to take on Okafor or Posey and Songalia is pretty much what could be expected, but asking Indy to take on all three (!!!) for Collison is rather brutal.

      I get that we are not sending draftpicks or Rush, but NO would have to take back something else from us if they want to dump all that crap on us, a non-expiring, to lower our salarystructure atleast a little bit. That doesn't leave many options. Jones comes to mind.
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        Re: Darren Collison

        i also wanted to mention, giving up draft picks and young players is not a good option for a team in a small market. we need to cherish draft picks and young players b/c free agents are not likely to want to play here. i know this may seem like alot to pay for one player we want in Collison, but Okafor has value has well. Songalia can walk after next season, and Posey the following.

        with Dun/Foster/ Songalia set to expire we would still have 21 million in exprings next offseason. depending on the new CBA agreement we should still be able to avoid the LT, and I think Foster can be resigned for around 2 million a season.

        this would make our team competitive at every position and we could then hopefully attact a better coach to fit the players we have here.

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        • #5
          Re: Darren Collison

          I could see us taking back Okafor or Posey but not both.

          Okafor has 4 years left

          Posey has 2 years

          Songalia is an expiring so I don't really se why he needs to be included....

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            Re: Darren Collison

            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
            I am not sure when all the contracts end but wouldn't this mean it would be really hard to resign Hibbert, Rush and Collision?

            IMO the proposed line up gets you into the playoffs but not very deep into the playoffs.

            Exactly, no reason to take on all these multi year contracts for one guy on our wish list, I can see taking on Okafor, but to take on Posey and Songalia is just stupid. I'd rather give them a draft pick.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              Re: Darren Collison

              What is this, the 4th thread about Collison? 5th?

              Let me save some time, here are the conclusions that all Collison threads inevitably reach:

              - If we could get Collison without taking back Okafor's contract or giving up Danny/Roy, we do it.
              - NO has no reason to trade Collison unless they use him to move Okafor's contract.
              - There's almost zero chance Bird is willing to take back Okafor's contract.

              I'm a little shocked at how much mileage this unlikely-to-occur trade is receiving on here.

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                Re: Darren Collison

                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                I am not sure when all the contracts end but wouldn't this mean it would be really hard to resign Hibbert, Rush and Collision?

                IMO the proposed line up gets you into the playoffs but not very deep into the playoffs.
                Posey has two years remaining at 6.5
                Songalia has one year remaining at 5
                Okafor 4 years at 11 million and escalates
                Collison 3 at 1.5

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                  Re: Darren Collison

                  Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
                  What is this, the 4th thread about Collison? 5th?

                  Let me save some time, here are the conclusions that all Collison threads inevitably reach:

                  - If we could get Collison without taking back Okafor's contract or giving up Danny/Roy, we do it.
                  - NO has no reason to trade Collison unless they use him to move Okafor's contract.
                  - There's almost zero chance Bird is willing to take back Okafor's contract.

                  I'm a little shocked at how much mileage this unlikely-to-occur trade is receiving on here.

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                    Re: Darren Collison

                    Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
                    What is this, the 4th thread about Collison? 5th?

                    Let me save some time, here are the conclusions that all Collison threads inevitably reach:

                    - If we could get Collison without taking back Okafor's contract or giving up Danny/Roy, we do it.
                    - NO has no reason to trade Collison unless they use him to move Okafor's contract.
                    - There's almost zero chance Bird is willing to take back Okafor's contract.

                    I'm a little shocked at how much mileage this unlikely-to-occur trade is receiving on here.
                    it may be, im not counting, but ive also done my research on this and invested some time in getting hornets fans opinons on this. if your not interested in the thread im not forcing you to read it.

                    your above logic is already taken into consideration, your taking up my time by mentioning what i already am aware of. however, i think bird would consider taking back okafors contract so we disagree there.

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                      Re: Darren Collison

                      Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                      Yes, it's too much, sorry. Asking us to take on Okafor or Posey and Songalia is pretty much what could be expected, but asking Indy to take on all three (!!!) for Collison is rather brutal.

                      I get that we are not sending draftpicks or Rush, but NO would have to take back something else from us if they want to dump all that crap on us, a non-expiring, to lower our salarystructure atleast a little bit. That doesn't leave many options. Jones comes to mind.
                      actually, how is it junk?? songalia is a player hornets fans want to move and he expires this season, so were trading expirings for another expiring and he is a servaciable big man. posey is the worst contract of the bunch at 2 years remaining and has some value backing up Granger. he would also be moveable next offseason.

                      Okafor/Collison combined is 12 million.. so thats an average of 6 mill per player.

                      indy is not going to get a better deal than this for a young pg, and on top of things not have to give up draft picks or brandon rush.

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                        Re: Darren Collison

                        Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
                        I could see us taking back Okafor or Posey but not both.

                        Okafor has 4 years left

                        Posey has 2 years

                        Songalia is an expiring so I don't really se why he needs to be included....
                        i asked their fans the same question, they want to sign an MLE FA. Posey is the only bad contract in my opinion.

                        FANS ON HERE WOULD RATHER TRADE DRAFT PICKS OR RUSH INSTEAD OF TAKE BACK OKAFOR?? im not sure i agree with that, esp the draft picks.

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                          Re: Darren Collison

                          Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                          been reading on espn/realgm threads from hornets fans stating what they would want in exchange for Collison. is the below too much for the pacers to take back in a deal?

                          the overall consensus from hornet fans is they want to get under the cap to sign an MLE FA. many of their fans said this would be a good trade for their team.

                          Collison, Okafor, Posey, Songalia (24 million)

                          for

                          Murphy, Ford, Solo (20 million)
                          or
                          Dun, Ford, Solo (19 million)
                          the pacers are probably right up against the luxury tax this season, so taking back an additional $5-6m in salary this season would cost the pacers over $10m including luxury tax penalties. that's on top of okafor's contract, which will handicap us for years to come. the financials seem very unlikely to me.

                          in fact, we're probably looking to be on the opposite side of such a trade, i.e. sending out some $24m in salary and only getting back $20m or so. i'll bet the pacers would want to get an mle free agent too.
                          Last edited by wintermute; 06-29-2010, 12:25 PM.

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                            Re: Darren Collison

                            If we sign all of our draft picks, we are $0.9 million over the luxury tax line. If we take on an extra $4 million in salary, that puts us about $5 million over. In other words, this proposed trade costs us $8 million dollars this year. There's absolutely no way Simon would sign off on it.

                            I think the sticking point in all Collison deals is that we're not willing to give the Hornets what they want - immediate cap relief - so there's not going to be any trade.

                            I'm still betting that Collison ends up in New York when they get only Joe Johnson in free agency. Then you'll see a deal like Collison and Posey for a 2nd round pick.
                            Last edited by OakMoses; 06-29-2010, 12:24 PM.
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                              Re: Darren Collison

                              Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                              the pacers are probably right up against the luxury tax this season, so taking back an additional $5-6m in salary this season would cost the pacers over $10m including luxury tax penalties. that's on top of okafor's contract, which will handicap us for years to come. the financials seem very unlikely to me.

                              in fact, we're probably looking to be on the opposite side of such a trade, i.e. sending out some $24m in salary and only getting back $20m or so.
                              the LT does not kill us this season like it will next. and next year we would have around 21 million off the books.

                              im sure we are looking for that kinda move, thats why it will nvr happen. if you want a team thats going to be competitive this is the move that will make it happen NOW!

                              so lets just sit on the expirings, or get some backup pg and watch the team stink again next year, then when we have cap space we can all say WOOOOO!!! then what..... were not landing any FA's that are gonna come here and play. this deal gets us in the 50 win range and does not kill our cap next offseason.

                              GIVE ME A BETTER OPTION THAN THIS TO MAKE THIS TEAM COMPETITIVE. and waiting for cap room to clear is not gonna guarantee competitiveness. sorry for the caps but i think pacer fans need to realize this is a win now type of move that does not hurt us long term.

                              Okafor is overpaid about 4 million. but considering Collison's deal i think it averages out.

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