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Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    Alittle of both. I can't stand running Hill and Augustine together, like they have been. Johnson is not a quick defender and he isn't quick or long enough to make up for his mistakes. We were handling the best teams in the league with Green getting 15-20 min a game because even with his terrible shot selection he was not giving up easy buckets.
    I agree with you, but I think his shot selection wasn't terrible. He prolly launched an egregious one every game, but for the most part he was just bricking wide open jumpers.
    Time for a new sig.

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    • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      Guys we should stop talking about the referees and start talking about the team, wtf is wrong with this team? 3 straight losses, it looks like they forgot how to play D, Roy is still puke Roy, the offense is still crappy must of the time, George Hill is playing like crap too.
      I don't think it's time to panic. If we had been blown out all 3 nights it would.

      We didn't show up in Portland.

      We tried to coast in Utah which was dumb.

      Denver's transition offense gave us fits tonight. Then for some reason they started playing really dumb, we got back in the game.

      I wanna see how we play in these next few. Hopefully the defense comes back.
      There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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      • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Guys we should stop talking about the referees and start talking about the team, wtf is wrong with this team? 3 straight losses, it looks like they forgot how to play D, Roy is still puke Roy, the offense is still crappy must of the time, George Hill is playing like crap too.

        I do totally agree with this. WTF happened to this team on that trip?

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        • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

          I am worried about George Hill again. Well, to be honest, I've been worried about his production versus his contract all season. I know that I am a little tougher on him than I am on other players because I feel (perhaps mistakenly) that most other posters are easier on him, so I would like others to weigh in on the subject. He is a ball-stopper on offense, he doesn't push the tempo or seek to penetrate beyond the foul line, and he's not taking the shots he used to take last season. I didn't think he could be a starting point guard when the season started, but he had several games, quite a few, actually, where he really took it to the other team and made stuff happen. I haven't seen much of that since, and we really, really need it.

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          • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

            Originally posted by presto123 View Post
            I do totally agree with this. WTF happened to this team on that trip?
            They're on a west coast trip, playing 3 very solid teams. At least two of which will probably make the playoffs. Yeah the Pacers are playing like crap right, but its part of the highs and lows of an82 game season. Every team goes through these spurts.

            Also, its laughable the few that are defending that last play. That was a bad call, one the refs shouldn't make in that situation, and its debatable if its a foul in the middle of the game. This isn't a noncontact sport. Not to mention there was less contact on that last play than PG's turnover the play prior. If the refs don't make that call on Iguadola on the second to last play, then it should have gone to overtime. Doesn't excuse the Pacers performance the previous 42 minutes, but the poor performance of the Pacers certainly doesn't excuse the bad call at the end either.

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            • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

              Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
              I am worried about George Hill again. Well, to be honest, I've been worried about his production versus his contract all season. I know that I am a little tougher on him than I am on other players because I feel (perhaps mistakenly) that most other posters are easier on him, so I would like others to weigh in on the subject. He is a ball-stopper on offense, he doesn't push the tempo or seek to penetrate beyond the foul line, and he's not taking the shots he used to take last season. I didn't think he could be a starting point guard when the season started, but he had several games, quite a few, actually, where he really took it to the other team and made stuff happen. I haven't seen much of that since, and we really, really need it.
              He's still giving us about the same production, but he's not driving as often in the first 3 quarters. PG and Lance are handling the ball a lot more now that they've proven to be a bit more reliable, so Hill doesn't have to do it as much. He gets to spend a little bit more time off of the ball. Then in the fourth quarter he normally gets into the lane once or twice to get up his floater, bringing his point total to around 13-15 and making us forget he's been a little bit relaxed until then

              I'm fine with it. He's shootin the 3 poorly in January and his assists continue to go down as he loses more ball handling responsibilities to PG and Lance, but his overall efficiency has gone up.
              Time for a new sig.

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              • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                Originally posted by Pacemaker View Post
                Really Hibbert? REALLY? Hibbert 3-12 !!!! Really? 8 measly points AGAIN. Looks like that 8 ppg avg is here to stay.
                At this point, he is what he is. Once you know what you have, it starts to also become as much on the teammates and coaches who choose to give him looks in the clutch as much as it's on him for being terrible on offense.

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                • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                  100, 98 (in regulation), and 102 pts given up in the 3 losses. Unacceptable. What has happened to our defensive identity?

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                  • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                    Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                    Lol listen to the homers on this board... George clearly fouled Iggy at the end of the game, and anyone who disagrees is a straight up homer.
                    If you think George clearly fouled Iggy, then you and vnzla must think that George was clearly fouled by Iggy on the play prior. Any way you look at it it was a terrible last 5 seconds for the refs.

                    So for your "homer" comments, either your clueless on how basketball is played and called, or you're just fitting things into your own little narrative...

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                    • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      Guys we should stop talking about the referees and start talking about the team, wtf is wrong with this team? 3 straight losses, it looks like they forgot how to play D, Roy is still puke Roy, the offense is still crappy must of the time, George Hill is playing like crap too.
                      I will say simple fatigue due to the HEAVY reliance on the Starting Lineup ( wait a sec, that sounds familiar ). I also think that removing Green from the lineup forces Vogel to be too dependent on Lance ( no problem ), OJ and DJ ( which is a problem ). Technically, I guess one ( likely someone like you ) would suggest that this means that it's a problem with lack of any real depth in the bench. Given the return of Granger....I would re-visit the concern about the depth in another month.

                      For now, I am willing to concede your concerns about your depth in the lineup....to a point.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                        Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                        At this point, he is what he is. Once you know what you have, it starts to also become as much on the teammates and coaches who choose to give him looks in the clutch as much as it's on him for being terrible on offense.
                        This doesn't make me happy lol
                        He's eating up A LOT of the Pacer's money
                        Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                          Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                          This doesn't make me happy lol
                          He's eating up A LOT of the Pacer's money
                          Just wait for next year when Walsh gives West his extension.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                            Originally posted by Mr.ThunderMakeR View Post
                            100, 98 (in regulation), and 102 pts given up in the 3 losses. Unacceptable. What has happened to our defensive identity?
                            To be fair.....AT HOME; on average, the Jazz score 102 points, the Blazers score 98 points and the Nuggets score 107 points. They basically did what they usually do. The Pacers...unfortunately...didn't do what they should have done....as you suggest.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                              Some notes -

                              Hill, West, George and soon Granger are all better options than Hibbert. Even if Hibbert is playing well on the offensive end. I believed this last year when Roy was playing relatively well, the Pacers needed to play to their strengths. STOP running plays for Roy. This is becoming a problem.

                              Hill needs to attack the opposing PG's more. He's not doing it enough, instead playing a lot off the ball and allowing PG and West to dominate possessions. I don't have as big of a problem with those two having the ball, but I'd like to see Hill attack the basket because he's good at it.

                              Obviously Hill/West PnR is the end game play you run. Not an ISO EVER much less an ISO with Iggy defending...

                              I understand that Vogel was afraid Iggy might take advantage of Lance, but Gallinari is still their best offensive weapon. PG should have been on him all game. This is all a moot point of course when Granger comes back. Obviously we are sorely missing Granger.

                              We should all note that without Granger this team should be expected to be a middling playoff team. They're playing like it right now. So I'm not too disappointed about losing to Denver on their home court. Tough place to win against an arguably equal or greater talented team.

                              Orlando Johnson played well and I hope he gets more minutes.. Please limit DJ as much as possible.

                              PG and Hill both hit Tyler, Roy, Ian, and West several times in the hands with passes and they ALL miss handled them. That's how you get easy baskets. Our bigs need to start handling those passes. I don't know how many easy looks we lost because our no hands bigs can't catch ****.
                              Last edited by mattie; 01-29-2013, 02:11 AM.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Nuggets Postgame Thread 1/28/13

                                Originally posted by mattie View Post
                                Orlando Johnson played well and I hope he gets more minutes.. Please limit DJ as much as possible.
                                I agree with this.....I think that OJ did very well...despite making many rookie mistakes.....but he played very well. I think that he just needs more minutes to get more confidence in his scoring.
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