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  • #61
    Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

    FAIL

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/09/peyt...source=twshare

    Newspaper celebrates John Elway’s epic game against the Ravens
    Report: Hall of Fame QB returns to NFL, throws seven TDs.
    We’ve already covered Peyton Manning’s record-setting NFL season opener, but according to Friday’s edition of The Columbus Dispatch, there was an unknown wrinkle that made the feat truly historic. Turns out it wasn’t Manning throwing those passes, but another Denver Broncos quarterback who happens to be 53 years old and in the Hall of Fame.


    The best part is that the article correctly identifies Manning in the lede, then reverts back to Elway in the second paragraph. Well, no, the best part is the Elway in the headline, but you catch my drift.

    It’s too bad we can’t see the rest of the article. I’m wondering if Elway threw TD passes to all of the Three Amigos or whether Wes Welker and Julius Thomas were still on the receiving end. And though we don’t have access to other sections of the paper, it’s safe to assume there was another piece somewhere that focused on how entertaining Brian Dunkleman was during pregame festivities.

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    • #62
      Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

      Peyton Manning is still hella good. It's a great thing watching Manning do his thing on the field.
      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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      • #63
        Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

        Manning still looking like the best QB in the league.

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        • #64
          Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

          Peter King has a good writeup:

          http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/06/manning-in-full/

          glowing in the deserved praise for Manning.

          Kind of surprising to read his comments on Welker though:

          Wes Welker shouldn’t be known as one of the league’s surest-handed players anymore. Hey, a great debut for Welker, all in all … nine catches, 67 yards, two touchdowns. But he dropped a punt at his four-yard line (why he’s fielding it there, who knows), leading to a simple Ravens touchdown in the first half. No cause for alarm, but as important as he is to Manning and to this offense, John Fox shouldn’t have him returning punts. Add this muff to the fact that Welker, via Pro Football Focus, led all NFL wideouts with 15 drops last year, and you start to wonder if that miss from Tom Brady in the most recent Patriot Super Bowl was really any sort of fluke.
          of course he had two other drops last night too (one though was ruled a catch)
          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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          • #65
            Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

            Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
            Peter King has a good writeup:

            http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/06/manning-in-full/

            glowing in the deserved praise for Manning.

            Kind of surprising to read his comments on Welker though:



            of course he had two other drops last night too (one though was ruled a catch)
            And he wouldn't have had that second touchdown if Eric Decker didn't have butter hands. Decker should have easily held on to that fade route. That came after that initial drop that should have been challenged.

            I don't know why in the hell you would have a vital 31 year old receiver returning punts. That boggles my mind.

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            • #66
              Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
              I don't know why in the hell you would have a vital 31 year old receiver returning punts. That boggles my mind.
              I do. He is the same HC who asked Manning to take a knee last season in the playoffs with time still on the clock.
              Never forget

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              • #67
                Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                Can we agree that Manning-Welker will always be about as natural as a peanut butter and ketchup sandwich. I just can't get used to it.

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                • #68
                  Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                  Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                  Can we agree that Manning-Welker will always be about as natural as a peanut butter and ketchup sandwich. I just can't get used to it.
                  Imagine predicting three years ago that Peyton Manning and Wes Welker would team up someday.......on the Denver Broncos.

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                  • #69
                    Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                    I agree that Denver is a SB or bust team. How much would it sting Manning if the Pats put him out of the playoffs once again? That's why I said in the other thread that this season might be the most pressure Manning has had on him in his whole career. We'll see how he holds up to it. He cannot afford another early flame out in the post season once again.

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                    • #70
                      Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                      Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                      I agree that Denver is a SB or bust team. How much would it sting Manning if the Pats put him out of the playoffs once again? That's why I said in the other thread that this season might be the most pressure Manning has had on him in his whole career. We'll see how he holds up to it. He cannot afford another early flame out in the post season once again.

                      If its another "The most pressure Manning has faced narrative" (how original) it really wouldn't matter what opposing team put him out let alone the Pats.

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                      • #71
                        Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                        Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                        If its another "The most pressure Manning has faced narrative" (how original) it really wouldn't matter what opposing team put him out let alone the Pats.

                        Didn't say it would, but I think losing to the Pats would sting even more. You can't tell me Manning doesn't have a bitter taste from those losses in NE. I only say most pressure because many perceive Manning as a "one and done" QB. If he doesn't win another SB that tag will unfortunately be part of his legacy. I think even he realizes this whether it's fair or not.

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                        • #72
                          Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                          not really.

                          Some of the 7 TDs would have been rushing TDs under Belichick, because that's what you preferentially do in the red zone, run the ball.

                          2012 Patriots: 25 rushing TDs, 34 passing TDs
                          2012 Broncos: 12 rushing TDs, 37 passing TDs
                          I think the more apt comparison would be to the Patriots Ef-You Season of '07. They were definitely in the business of running up the score and padding stats that year.

                          2007 Patriots: 17 rushing TDs, 50 passing TDs
                          Last edited by bunt; 09-06-2013, 03:02 PM.

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                          • #73
                            Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                            The concept of the eff you TD (other than the Washington game, dating back to bad blood with Gibbs from BB's Giants days) was a figment of the imagination of Bill Simmons and ESPN. They were 21st in the league in percentage of 4th quarter passing TDs that year. When leading by more than 2 TDs in the 4th quarter, they always ran the football, despite having a mediocre running game (Maroney).
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #74
                              Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                              Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                              The concept of the eff you TD (other than the Washington game, dating back to bad blood with Gibbs from BB's Giants days) was a figment of the imagination of Bill Simmons and ESPN. They were 21st in the league in percentage of 4th quarter passing TDs that year. When leading by more than 2 TDs in the 4th quarter, they always ran the football, despite having a mediocre running game (Maroney).
                              Except against Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, and Washington. You could include Buffalo a second time if you stretched the criteria to also include up 4 TDs mid-way through the 3Q. So they didn't always run the football.

                              Regardless, the 2012 Broncos scored over 75% of their 49 offensive TDs through the air. The 2007 Patriots scored over 74% of their 67 offensive TDs through the air. The Pats just happened to score quite a bit more than the Broncos.

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                              • #75
                                Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                                Although I wonder how they rated this one I bet a lot went to bed early since it started so late

                                http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...illion-people/

                                Broncos’ season-opening win viewed by 25.1 million people

                                The NFL’s dominance over the American television landscape continues.

                                Thursday night’s Ravens-Broncos NFL opener was watched by 25.1 million viewers, a 5 percent increase over the Cowboys-Giants game that kicked off the season last year.

                                The 25.1 million figure makes Thursday night’s game the third-most watched NFL opener since the league started opening the season on Thursday night in 2002. The 2010 and 2011 openers were both seen by more than 27 million viewers.

                                Those of you who joined us for the NBC Sports Live Extra stream of the game were in good company: Fans watched nearly 20.5 million minutes of game action online, easily breaking the regular-season record of 10.6 million minutes, set last season for 49ers-Patriots.

                                Ravens-Broncos likely would have drawn even more viewers without the 33-minute delay that caused the game to start after 9 p.m. Eastern, and would have done better still if the Broncos didn’t turn the game into a laugher in the fourth quarter, when millions of Americans surely decided it was time to go to bed as a not-very-competitive game ran past midnight on the East Coast. The NFL is so popular that a game doesn’t have to be a great one to draw a great number of viewers.

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