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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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  • #31
    Re: NBA top free agents 2011

    He was arguably the best low post player in the NBA this season. His level of play has been considerably better than his previous stops.

    He might not be worth a long term max deal because of his age, but for the next 2-3 years? Hell yeah.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • #32
      Re: NBA top free agents 2011

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      He was arguably the best low post player in the NBA this season. His level of play has been considerably better than his previous stops.

      He might not be worth a long term max deal because of his age, but for the next 2-3 years? Hell yeah.
      Right! Zach is worth the money not Gasol. Thats the point.

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      • #33
        Re: NBA top free agents 2011

        Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
        Right! Zach is worth the money not Gasol. Thats the point.
        They are both worth the money.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #34
          Re: NBA top free agents 2011

          Marc isn't a max guy yet, but he's easily worth a $10 million investment annually.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • #35
            Re: NBA top free agents 2011

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            They are both worth the money.
            So 12 and 7 coupled with good defense is worth a max contract? Larry Bird please GOD NO....

            ITs a good thing that the Grizz will match anything..

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            • #36
              Re: NBA top free agents 2011

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Marc isn't a max guy yet, but he's easily worth a $10 million investment annually.
              He is easily worth 12 IMO but when you start handing out big contracts like Atlanta did you can creep right back into the LT with no way out.

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              • #37
                Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                No... He has been rebounding and scoring like a machine for years now even as a Knick. Gasol is good but he isn't worth max money and the whole I play along a good player doesn't fly with me. He's a solid player and better than Hibbert but neither him or Nene are worth max money.

                Edit: Gasol is not worth more money than Zach because he's not a better player. Why pay a good but not great player max money? Do the Pacers want to be the next Atlanta?
                I do get your argument, as I myself have debated whether Gasol was worth the max. But when you think about it, he's a 7'1" 26-year-old center who scores at a high clip and is a very good rebounder (which the numbers won't tell you by themselves), and he has experience deep in the playoffs. He definitely would play up to his deal.

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                • #38
                  Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                  Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                  The Lakers won 5 championships with a PF smaller than their point guard.
                  Forgive my ignorance, but which Lakers, what years, and who? If you're talking about Magic Johnson as the point guard, that's a special case; there aren't many functional 6'8" point guards these days, not to mention any that play for the Pacers.

                  I like to think that, with Hansbrough at 6'9", we don't need any more small power forwards. Players like Carl Landry shouldn't come near the team, intense or not. We need some height, strength, and some form of athleticism at our four position, besides McRoberts (whose skill/potential is still indefinite and undetermined).
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                  • #39
                    Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                    6'9" 250 is not anything close to "small" for a power forward.

                    You're a tad too obsessed with height.

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                    • #40
                      Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                      6'9" 250 is not anything close to "small" for a power forward.

                      You're a tad too obsessed with height.
                      Not to mention so many people want another Dale Davis but don't realize his listed weight was only 230. (Okay, he looked heavier to me too)
                      "man, PG has been really good."

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                      • #41
                        Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        6'9" 250 is not anything close to "small" for a power forward.

                        You're a tad too obsessed with height.
                        I like Hans, there are a lot of things that you get with him that you won't find in many Players in the NBA. I do think it is a good option to have a long PF as well though, not just tall, but I think for matchup situations it can help.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • #42
                          Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                          I think Marc Gasol's gotten quite overrated, personally. He had a very ho-hum regular season, then played huge minutes in the playoffs (39.9), giving him somewhat inflated production, and now people seem to think he's an all-star.

                          He's a good center, but he's about to turn 27 and has likely peaked as a low-to-mid teens scorer and a sub-par rebounder. $10M per, given the premium placed on big men, sure. Max money? Yikes...

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                          • #43
                            Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                            Anyone with ESPN Insider wanna post this article? I assume this isn't against board rules since I've seen it done plenty of times in the past.

                            10 best free-agent fits - NBA - ESPN

                            The preview has David West to the Pacers at #1, but it cuts off.

                            Thanks.

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                            • #44
                              Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                              Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                              Anyone with ESPN Insider wanna post this article? I assume this isn't against board rules since I've seen it done plenty of times in the past.

                              10 best free-agent fits - NBA - ESPN

                              The preview has David West to the Pacers at #1, but it cuts off.

                              Thanks.
                              ESPN is shamelously plugging 50% off insider now

                              I still dont get why they charge extra for their writers opinion. I have yet to see another sports website do that
                              Sittin on top of the world!

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                              • #45
                                Re: NBA top free agents 2011

                                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                                Anyone with ESPN Insider wanna post this article? I assume this isn't against board rules since I've seen it done plenty of times in the past.

                                10 best free-agent fits - NBA - ESPN

                                The preview has David West to the Pacers at #1, but it cuts off.

                                Thanks.
                                Now the fun begins.

                                The NBA and the players shook hands on a tentative agreement early Saturday morning, which means that players will be putting on their NBA uniforms soon -- and some will be wearing new ones. Although there's still some fine print to be ironed out in the new labor deal, we can already see where the best fits will be. The combination of an amnesty clause and a harsher luxury tax will undoubtedly produce some more free agents, but they won't have the kind of impact as the players below.

                                (Note: "R" denotes restricted free agent.)

                                1. David West -- Indiana Pacers
                                On one hand, West couldn't have picked a worse time to hit the market, having just undergone surgery to repair an ACL. On the other hand, he's probably the biggest fish on the free-agent menu and also clearly the best available player at his position.

                                The Pacers are the rare organization with the ability to open up their wallet, and they could use an upgrade at the 4. Tyler Hansbrough has starter-level effort but not contender-level talent. West can be that guy for the Pacers, a team expected to make a big splash next season.


                                2. Tyson Chandler -- Toronto Raptors
                                Chandler could decide to return to the Mavericks, but he could also choose to follow Dwane Casey from the Dallas Mavericks' bench to Toronto. Casey, the newly hired Raptors head coach, was the defensive guru behind the Mavericks' wall that stifled the Los Angeles Lakers and the Miami Heat en route to a title.

                                Chandler flourished as the anchor to Casey's system, and the Raptors have the cash to offer the center big money. Of course, Dallas owner Mark Cuban notoriously breaks the bank for his centers, so there's a good chance Chandler will defend the title. However, a Casey and Chandler connection would be ideal for Toronto.

                                3. Nene -- Denver Nuggets
                                China absolutely raided the Nuggets' roster during the lockout, leaving the front office with no choice but to give Nene a blank check. As far as centers go, Nene may not be the defender or quite the rebounder that Chandler is, but the Brazilian big man makes up for it with an array of moves to score the rock.

                                It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the Nuggets decide to let the most efficient big man in the game walk away. With Kenyon Martin and Wilson Chandler heading to China, the Nuggets may have to think about slotting Nene at the 4 and putting Chris Andersen at center. The 6-foot-11 Nene has slid over before, but it's not his natural position. No matter what position they have in mind for him, the Nuggets would be foolish not to lock him up long-term.

                                4. Jason Richardson -- Chicago Bulls
                                The Bulls should point their horns toward a strong shooting guard, and Richardson will warrant a strong look. The 30-year-old looked much older in Orlando than he did in Phoenix as his points-per-minute numbers fell off a cliff after he was traded at the deadline. Most of that was due to a plummeting usage rate, but he also didn't help matters by shooting just 43 percent in blue and white.

                                Still, there's plenty of value here. The Bulls struggled mightily to find middle ground between offensive specialist Kyle Korver and defensive specialist Ronnie Brewer, but Richardson can bring it on both ends. As a career 37.3 percent shooter from downtown, he and Derrick Rose would form one of the strongest backcourts in the sport. The question remains whether Richardson's stock has dipped far enough to the point where Chicago could afford him.

                                5. Samuel Dalembert -- Miami Heat
                                With South Beach around the corner and a perennial championship-caliber roster, the Heat will be an extremely tempting destination for veterans looking for a shot at the Larry O'Brien Trophy. Add in the fact that Dalembert's roots are in nearby Haiti; the veteran center has spent much of his time involved with Haiti earthquake recovery programs.

                                Dalembert made more than $13 million last season but should be due for a massive pay cut after taking a big step backward with the Sacramento Kings. He's no longer one of the league's best shot-blockers or rebounders, but he would fit in perfectly with the Heat's system. He probably could command more money elsewhere, but that didn't stop LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Udonis Haslem, Chris Bosh, Mike Bibby and … you get the idea.

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                                Crawford could provide the Bucks some much-needed scoring punch.
                                6. Jamal Crawford -- Milwaukee Bucks
                                The Bucks' offense was so pathetic last season that they treaded in least-efficient-offense-in-NBA-history territory for a while. They finished last in the NBA in efficiency, scoring just 99.0 points every 100 possessions. You know it's rough when you depend on a 5-foot-5 35-year-old (Earl Boykins) for scoring punch.

                                Enter Crawford. Sure, Crawford's me-first mentality might not jive well with Milwaukee head coach and disciplinarian Scott Skiles, but the Bucks are desperate for a go-to scorer on the wing. With J.R. Smith in China and a shallow pool of alternatives, Crawford could take some pressure off Brandon Jennings and provide the Bucks with a much-needed injection of points.

                                7. Rodney Stuckey (R) -- Toronto Raptors
                                If you go strictly by points per game, Stuckey endured a down season in 2010-11, but a closer look at his campaign actually reveals a dramatic step forward. By trimming the fat in his shot selection, he posted easily the best true shooting percentage of his career and became a better distributor as a floor general.

                                If the Pistons decide to hand over the keys to draftee Brandon Knight, they could cut ties with Stuckey and let him walk. It would save the bloated franchise some cash, but it's not a good bet that Knight will ever match Stuckey's 18.4 player efficiency rating in 2010-11. If Tyson Chandler returns to Dallas, the Raptors should focus their energy on nabbing a point guard for the long haul. Remember, at 25, Stuckey is just entering his prime.

                                8. Arron Afflalo (R) -- Denver Nuggets
                                There might not be a more underrated player in the game, and he's overdue for a big payday. It's not easy to find a top perimeter defender who can also shoot the ball lights-out, but the 25-year-old UCLA product fits both criteria. And luckily for Afflalo, the Nuggets will have plenty of dough to send his way once he hits the market.

                                Sure, Denver's mass exodus to China will put a dent in the team's contention status, but it also means Afflalo's time to shine is now. A starting lineup of Ty Lawson, Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Nene and Andersen might not win a title, but it's better than what most teams can put on the floor on a nightly basis.

                                9. Caron Butler -- Los Angeles Clippers
                                The market for Butler's services might have dried up some since he underwent serious knee surgery in January, but he could become a great bargain opportunity for a team willing to risk it. The Clippers are a natural fit with a hole at small forward (Al-Farouq Aminu is still a year or two away), and if the Mavericks decide to cut bait, Butler could be a good flier candidate.

                                No, it's not encouraging that the 31-year-old was limited to no more than a couple of minutes in the South Florida All-Star Classic, especially when you consider he had been hoping to participate in the Mavs' playoff run. Nonetheless, Butler still has the talent to be an average small forward, and at his expected price, that's all the Clippers could ask for.

                                10. J.J. Barea -- Dallas Mavericks
                                As an undersized point guard, Barea's stature requires a safety net behind him on defense. Without a dominant big man to absorb blow-bys, Barea loses much of his value on the floor. This is why the Mavericks, with Tyson Chandler patrolling the paint, leveraged Barea's talents better than most teams can. As a result, the Mavericks will likely be Barea's top suitor in free agency.

                                As is the case with Chandler and Butler, Barea's return is contingent on how much money Mavs owner Mark Cuban is willing to eat. With a stricter penalty on exceeding the salary cap looking very possible, Cuban has to recalibrate his cost/benefit analysis. If the Mavericks find Barea expendable, the line for his services will not be short.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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